Hamas Military Leader Killed (Here we go again...)

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by polak

Maybe if Hamas wasn't led by a bunch of brain dead terrorists and would allow peace then Israel would negotiate, but no. They're too stupid to realize that and would rather provoke a war they have ZERO chance of winning.

They have zero chance of winning militarily, but they'll likely win it in world opinion due to the civilian causalities that will result, that they know full well will result, and that they're banking on. They realize the importance of the propaganda war in this, and are using the Palestinian people like pawns, as per usual. Nice guys, Hamas.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

This, of course, can also be contributed to Hamas hiding out amongst the regular population, because they know if Israel retaliates they can use the civilian deaths as propaganda and a way to rally others.

What I find most unbelievable is the way people seem to actually believe there's an innocent victim in this conflict, outside of the dead Israeli and Palestinian civilians.

Of course that's why innocents get killed but that still doesn't make the impact of dead innocent people any less significant.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Holy Crap, count the amount of times you read "no injuries or damage".

Israeli deaths are avoided as much as possible, Palestinian deaths are due to Hamas hiding amongst innocent civilians. You know that, who do you think you are fooling with your posts?

The Israeli government invested in bomb shelters and emergency procedures to keep people safe, Hamas stored rockets in temples and schools.

You appear to be as smart as those guys in the Levant video I posted, congrats.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

They have zero chance of winning militarily, but they'll likely win it in world opinion due to the civilian causalities that will result, that they know full well will result, and that they're banking on. They realize the importance of the propaganda war in this, and are using the Palestinian people like pawns, as per usual. Nice guys, Hamas.

Of course they don't have a chance when America and the west are supplying the best weapons available.

If Iran was allowed to supply the Palestinian side then I think they'd have a great chance but that would only lead to world war.

You can't deny Israel isn't as innocent as portrayed by the media or by the Western governments.

All hands involved are dirty.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Israeli deaths are avoided as much as possible, Palestinian deaths are due to Hamas hiding amongst innocent civilians. You know that, who do you think you are fooling with your posts?

The Israeli government invested in bomb shelters and emergency procedures to keep people safe, Hamas stored rockets in temples and schools.

You appear to be as smart as those guys in the Levant video I posted, congrats.

Where do the Israeli soldiers hide? Why aren't they out in the open?

Are people really that naive? Of course Hamas hides in the general population or else Israel would blow them all to shreds safely from a jet in the sky.

Definitely not condoning their actions as it's cowardly but it's their only choice.

[Hans Landa]

Originally Posted by Iginla

The bias is unbelievable.

When it's X vs. Islamists my bias is always, with no exception, with X.

A greater number of dead Islamists sounds like success to me.
To the one who support Hamas as their governing party, their innocence does not exist.

I'm also quite sure Israel treats injured Palestinians in their hospitals whenever possible (I saw it on CNN!!!!! Yay AC360!!!). That consideration for human life would never happen with Hamas at the helm in Gaza.

I like the kill stats so long as Western Civilization (Israel) has a better score.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Hans Landa

When it's X vs. Islamists my bias is always, with no exception, with X.

A greater number of dead Islamists sounds like success to me.
To the one who support Hamas as their governing party, their innocence does not exist.

I'm also quite sure Israel treats injured Palestinians in their hospitals whenever possible (I saw it on CNN!!!!! Yay AC360!!!). That consideration for human life would never happen with Hamas at the helm in Gaza.

I like the kill stats so long as Western Civilization (Israel) has a better score.

This is so ignorant it doesn't even deserve a proper reply.

[Hans Landa]

Originally Posted by Iginla

This is so ignorant it doesn't even deserve a proper reply.

lol

[burn_this_city]

Population density has a lot to do with it, 1.7M people crammed into 365km2. Gaza's population density of 4500/km2 is similar numbers to Toronto, Israel on the other hand has 350/km2. One side uses guided weapons fired from aircraft, the other is home made rockets with no guidance systems.

[Jude]

Originally Posted by Iginla

Definitely not condoning their actions as it's cowardly but it's their only choice.

Disarmament and attempting a diplomatic resolution would be another choice.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Iginla

This is so ignorant it doesn't even deserve a proper reply.

Ignorant hatred.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by peter12

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_Israel,_2012

Oh ok I wasn't sure when somebody called "starting now!!"

[peter12]

Hamas launched missiles at Israel's Nuclear Research Center. They missed. The people of Palestine should be grateful that Iran possesses the most mediocre of guided missile technology. A direct hit would have given Israel free reign to flatten the Gaza. Hamas should not be treated like a rational political actor, they are millenarian fanatics. They use their own people as a trump card in an absolute war. Hamas wants their own people to be maimed, crippled, and killed because it gives them a public relations advantage. Could there be a more disgusting, inhumane motivation?

By the way, what do you think Abbas is thinking through all of this? Hamas does not represent the best interests of Palestinians, and they want everyone to know it.

[peter12]

Never mind. Jude is on my side, and therefore, he gets my approval.

[Hans Landa]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Ignorant hatred.

THANK YOU



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamiz...the_Gaza_Strip
Hating the culture in control of the Gaza strip is just so easy, I can't help myself.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

An op-ed by Gershon Baskin, co-chairman of the Israel Palestine Center for Research and Information, a columnist for The Jerusalem Post and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the release of Gilad Shalit.

An interesting read regarding the back-channels of negotiation that persist despite the public posturing. Some choice snippets below.

No, Mr. Jabari was not a man of peace; he didn’t believe in peace with Israel and refused to have any direct contact with Israeli leaders and even nonofficials like me. My indirect dealings with Mr. Jabari were handled through my Hamas counterpart, Ghazi Hamad, the deputy foreign minister of Hamas, who had received Mr. Jabari’s authorization to deal directly with me.

Passing messages between the two sides, I was able to learn firsthand that Mr. Jabari wasn’t just interested in a long-term cease-fire; he was also the person responsible for enforcing previous cease-fire understandings brokered by the Egyptian intelligence agency. Mr. Jabari enforced those cease-fires only after confirming that Israel was prepared to stop its attacks on Gaza. On the morning that he was killed, Mr. Jabari received a draft proposal for an extended cease-fire with Israel, including mechanisms that would verify intentions and ensure compliance. This draft was agreed upon by me and Hamas’s deputy foreign minister, Mr. Hamad, when we met last week in Egypt.

No government can tolerate having its civilian population attacked by rockets from a neighboring territory. And the firing of thousands of rockets from Gaza into Israel must end. There was a chance for a mutually agreed cease-fire. The difference between the proposal I drafted in cooperation with my Hamas counterpart and past proposals was that it included both a mechanism for dealing with impending terror threats and a clear definition of breaches. This draft was to be translated and shared with both Mr. Jabari and Israeli security officials, who were aware of our mediation efforts.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Iginla

Of course they don't have a chance when America and the west are supplying the best weapons available.

If Iran was allowed to supply the Palestinian side then I think they'd have a great chance but that would only lead to world war.

You can't deny Israel isn't as innocent as portrayed by the media or by the Western governments.

All hands involved are dirty.

First of all, Hamas already gets rockets and intelligence from Iran.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/bat...495/story.html

In several attacks, Hamas said it had unleashed for the first time the most powerful weapons in their arsenal — Iranian-made Fajr-5 rockets.

Israel appeared stunned by the attack on Jerusalem, though a day later officials insisted they were aware of the weapon. Hamas said the M-75 missile was made in Gaza, with Iranian assistance.

Second of all, why would having "Iran supply the Palestinian side" give them a "great chance"? Do you think Iranian weapons tech is anywhere close, anywhere even in the same realm or universe as USA weapons tech? I mean come on, they don't even have a bloody nuke yet, something the USA had almost SEVENTY years ago.

Iranian weaponry/rockets are not going to help Hamas beat Israel, they would/will simply help them and their citizens experience further pain and suffering at the hands of a powerful nation rightly defending itself.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Iginla

This is pretty funny.

I love how people pretend this conflict started one week ago and not 7 decades ago.

Israel does have the right to protect its self and so do the Palestinians. There will never be peace in thy region. The children and family of murdered Palestinians at the hands of Israel do not forget.

Throughout this thread people have mentioned the 3 Israeli casualties numerous times, but very few if any have mentioned the innocent casualties on the other side which far outnumber the Israeli side. The bias is unbelievable.

If anything there have been several threads on this board that have spiraled into Israel is evil and completely at fault. I don't think that there has been to this point any real true bias.

Maybe in this thread people have seen that Hamas restarted this conflict and that's why the focus has gone the way it has.

[Azure]

Puckluck is as biased as anyone who thinks Palestine is completely at fault.

If Israel has the right to defend their people, which happen to include Arabs as well, how exactly do you propose they do so without collateral damage, when Hamas is actively hiding among the civilian population, and routinely use human shields?

Israel operates by their own ROE, but they don't intentionally target civilians. Hamas on the other hand does. Oh those poor innocent terrorists. If only Iran could supply them so they could bomb the hell out of those evil zealots. Really Puckluck, why don't you just come out and say that you hate Israel and want Hamas to succeed? Because all your comments indicate exactly that.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Azure

Puckluck is as biased as anyone who thinks Palestine is completely at fault.

If Israel has the right to defend their people, which happen to include Arabs as well, how exactly do you propose they do so without collateral damage, when Hamas is actively hiding among the civilian population, and routinely use human shields?

Israel operates by their own ROE, but they don't intentionally target civilians. Hamas on the other hand does. Oh those poor innocent terrorists. If only Iran could supply them so they could bomb the hell out of those evil zealots. Really Puckluck, why don't you just come out and say that you hate Israel and want Hamas to succeed? Because all your comments indicate exactly that.

That's rich coming from the resident Israeli defence minister. You and Nage Waza are as bias as they come.

Israel doesn't intentionally target civillians? What do you call dropping bombs from the sky on houses that you have no clue who is inside? I know...I know they're hiding within the civilian population, well so what? Start a ground offensive, gather up who you want instead of being cowards from the sky and killing innocent civilians.