2012-2013 Toronto Blue Jays Off Season Thread

[d_phaneuf]

2B more prone to injuries as well, I would keep him at 3B

his bat plays there as well as all star level

[dustyanddaflames]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

I don't think moving Lawrie to 2B is a good idea, he only spent 1 year at that position before moving to 3rd. Not sure how he would do at 2nd.

Again, I'm not saying it is a great idea - more "fantasy" talk than anything. But if we are indeed moving JPA, I would love to land a 3B prospect for him, and at least look at shifting Lawrie back to 2nd base. Again, just pointless banter, but I see more value in landing a 2/3B than another arm to the rotation... unless we are talking Hellickson, Bauer, etc, in which case are adding significantly to JPA.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

As for those who say Reyes is a risk with his contract...Vernon Wells was still able to be traded with a worse contract, and I think anyone would take Reyes over Wells. Reyes when healthy can be a 4-5 WAR player.

If there was a suitor for Wells, there will be suitors for Reyes should the Jays decide to trade him.

I still can't believe AA managed to deal that contract.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by moon

Yep it is tough.

I think you got the gist of the type of deal it is, prospects as particularly tough as most of the Florida guys have much better upside than the NHL guys listed but also are a big time risk to bust out based on the nature of the game. It is tough to compare baseball and hockey prospects because of the development each take.

The only comparison from the Jays prospects that is incorrect IMO would be Arnold/Marisnick. Marisnick's upside is much higher. I would say he's closer, (but still slightly better) to Gaudreau - he has star level ability/skill, but his bust potential is also high. They both lack one critical tool (Gaudreau - size, Marisnick -hit/contact) that could hold them back.

Everything else is pretty much bang on (especially the Horak & Reinhart comps).

On the other side, the only exaggeration is Glencross for Bonafacio. I'd say it's he's more like a David Moss. Very average player, but he can move around your line-up and play almost anywhere you need him and not look silly. And Josh Johnson is far superior to Tanguay - a good comparable would be Marian Gaborik.

But the big thing is the trade markets for MLB and NHL are different. While the Jays got still got a really good deal, getting top end talent for these kinds of prospects isn't unprecedented.

[jschick88]

Bob Nightengale -Baseball Writer for USA today

Selig says the #marlins trade is under review

Selig feels for the #marlins fans and will take everything in consideration before making decision

https://twitter.com/BNightengale

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
#bluejays honcho paul beeston says "still waiting" on physicals/paperwork. says can't talk but admits "it's exciting."

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
Selig said to be "not happy" w/ #marlins trade, but so far doesn't see basis to disallow. Selig's quote: "under review"

[CaramonLS]

I don't think Selig can disallow the trade.

The BoSox shipped off more money in their deal to LA than the Jays are taking on earlier this year.

If Selig decides to put his foot down after the long line of Loria fire sales, this will appear as nothing more than targetting the Blue Jays and showing favoritism to the 'chosen ones' of the AL East. Not like it will change anything either. Loria will just sell off the pieces individually and do exactly what he set out to do in the first place - gut the team.

Selig can't force him to keep certain players.

[nik-]

#### off Selig.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Loria, according to one industry source, sat alone in the lunch room, not conversing with his fellow owners. Teams from the American League East were unhappy that the Blue Jays improved dramatically, clubs from the National League Central and West were displeased that the four other NL East members would be able to feast on the carcass posing as the Marlins and there was a general sense of embarrassment over the Marlins cutting bait just one year after opening a new ballpark built overwhelmingly with public monies.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_...sDT55UxLwrGgUL

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
Selig said to be "not happy" w/ #marlins trade, but so far doesn't see basis to disallow. Selig's quote: "under review"

It's not as if the Marlins got nothing from the Jays. They got an MLB ready short stop one year removed from a stellar offensive season, the Jays 2nd best prospect in Marisnick, a top prospect at short stop, Nicolino who is a very promising pitcher. To disallow this trade would be ridiculous on every level.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Yeah, it will go through. I think with all the shock and outrage that Selig saw when the deal was first reported he's just trying to show that deals/firesales like this one will at least be looked at carefully before given the green light. I'm sure he's not happy with Loria, but the deal itself isn't all that horrible for the Marlins, it's just a kick in the face of their fans who are in rebuild mode once again. I'm guessing it will be announced officially sometime this afternoon.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Shi Davidi ‏@ShiDavidi

Issue for Selig is cities pointing to Mia as cautionary tale, refusing to build future stadiums. So review before deal approved is smart PR

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Maybe I was off when I said it would be finalized today..............oops.

Shi Davidi ‏@ShiDavidi
#Jays-#Marlins blockbuster may take another day or two to get finalized with paperwork, physicals and approvals to get through. #dontpanic

[JayP]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I don't think Selig can disallow the trade.

The BoSox shipped off more money in their deal to LA than the Jays are taking on earlier this year.

If Selig decides to put his foot down after the long line of Loria fire sales, this will appear as nothing more than targetting the Blue Jays and showing favoritism to the 'chosen ones' of the AL East. Not like it will change anything either. Loria will just sell off the pieces individually and do exactly what he set out to do in the first place - gut the team.

Selig can't force him to keep certain players.

Yeah the PR should be pretty bad if he way overstepped his bounds and squashed the deal. Like you said, it's not much different than what Boston did this season and Miami actually ended up with a much better return in their salary dump. You can't just let some teams dump salary and not others. If there is an issue, force Loria to sell and actually eliminate the problem not just the symptom.

[TitovFTW]

Selig is such an out of touch moron. It's just pathetic pandering on his part to even discuss that he's "reviewing this trade". He's so out of touch with baseball as a whole, he looks and acts like Mr. Burns, just unaware of anything going on around him. It's pathetic that he'd even speak out about this being under review, especially after he's allowed Loria to do this so many times and has empowered him as an owner.

MLB should be jumping for joy, and I assume behind closed doors a lot of them are, that one of their biggest markets is now spending like it.

Sounds like a hold up is the players personals as Reyes was in Dubai and Mathis was on a hunting trip. Will be glad when this is finally official

[moon]

I think Bud is just saying this to a. shame Loria and b. try and discourage other teams from doing it in the future. Can't imagine there is any real threat of voiding the deal but this does potentially screw other teams over in the future when looking to build stadiums and Bud cannot be happy with Loria right now.

[TitovFTW]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal On #BlueJays: Anything is possible, but team did not get J. Johnson to flip him. Reality is, Jays still need - and want - one more starter.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by TitovFTW

Selig is such an out of touch moron. It's just pathetic pandering on his part to even discuss that he's "reviewing this trade". He's so out of touch with baseball as a whole, he looks and acts like Mr. Burns, just unaware of anything going on around him. It's pathetic that he'd even speak out about this being under review, especially after he's allowed Loria to do this so many times and has empowered him as an owner.

MLB should be jumping for joy, and I assume behind closed doors a lot of them are, that one of their biggest markets is now spending like it.

Sounds like a hold up is the players personals as Reyes was in Dubai and Mathis was on a hunting trip. Will be glad when this is finally official

People hate him but baseball as a sport and business has done very well in the last 5 years. He does look and act like Mr Burns, and has a knack of having the worst possible picture taken of him, but I don't blame him for putting up a stink. I think he lets the deal thru but lets everyone know he doesn't like it, and baseball tries to figure out how to fix this in the future, probably by monkeying around the conditions for profit sharing. They have to create a collar whereby if you are over a cap then you pay in, and you only qualify for the sharing if you spend to a floor.

[d_phaneuf]

There's no way you can not allow this, but allow the Dodgers/Red Sox trade earlier this year

0% chance it gets declined, like others have said he is just taking his time on this so it doesn't look like he gave it a rubber stamp

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Ken RosenthalVerified
‏@Ken_Rosenthal

#BlueJays-#Marlins deal likely not finalized until Fri. or Sat. Reyes was in Dubai. Returning tonight. Needs to fly to Florida for physical.