Wear a poppy

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunnies

You can rip Magnum all you want from your high horse, but in the end plundering a war trophy (which is exactly what it is) is wrong; morally and legally.

No you doubt you wouldnt find the practice so palatable if a Taliban fighter ripped a patch from a Canadian soldier's body after killing him.

It doesnt make it right just because "the good guys" did it.

It was a symbol for fascism and from what I understand most items containing the emblem were burned and destroyed as they were captured all the way from the beginning to the end of the war. In this particular case the prisoners were stripped of their swastikas and imprisoned. Not killed.

It wasn't some German soldier's family photo... it was a symbol promoting the advancement of fascism and genocide.


It hasn't been on display anywhere and has spent the better part of seventy years in an envelope and now a safe. It was kept by my grandfather as a tangible reminder of the atrocities he put his life on the line to fight against.

Even to this day, to have a tangible piece that directly stemmed from the Nazi party is an important reminder in teaching the importance of the sacrifice of our soldiers from that war to new generations. It has always provoked discussion and learning when brought out and shared within our family.

This thread is a reminder of how a little education can go a long way.

There is nothing celebratory about any of these stories.

Why are we remembering battles and people being killed? Because it was WAR.

In that particular war, our relatives were fighting to protect and preserve our way of life.

These petty arguments on the internet by bored and ignorant simpletons just looking to provoke controversy are really out of place in this thread, and in extremely poor taste.

[Fluffy Bunnies]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

They put there lives at risk I am sure a reasonable person could overlook a trophy. A person is asked to kill another human and people are worried about morals of taking a small token to remember? Now if were ears or fingers then I could understand the outrage.

Putting your life at risk doesnt give you a free pass in the morality dept.

[Fluffy Bunnies]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

It was a symbol for fascism and from what I understand most items containing the emblem were burned and destroyed as they were captured all the way from the beginning to the end of the war. In this particular case the prisoners were stripped of their swastikas and imprisoned. Not killed.

It wasn't some German soldier's family photo... it was a symbol promoting the advancement of fascism and genocide.


It hasn't been on display anywhere and has spent the better part of seventy years in an envelope and now a safe. It was kept by my grandfather as a tangible reminder of the atrocities he put his life on the line to fight against.

Even to this day, to have a tangible piece that directly stemmed from the Nazi party is an important reminder in teaching the importance of the sacrifice of our soldiers from that war to new generations. It has always provoked discussion and learning when brought out and shared within our family.

This thread is a reminder of how a little education can go a long way.

There is nothing celebratory about any of these stories.

Why are we remembering battles and people being killed? Because it was WAR.

In that particular war, our relatives were fighting to protect and preserve our way of life.

These petty arguments on the internet by bored and ignorant simpletons just looking to provoke controversy are really out of place in this thread, and in extremely poor taste.

At this point we have to agree to disagree. I dont want to say anything further in relation to your grandfather, other than the practice of war trophies is morally reprehensible (not to mention illegal).

I bid you adieu.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Honest question - how old are you?

What difference does it make?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunnies

At this point we have to agree to disagree. I dont want to say anything further in relation to your grandfather, other than the practice of war trophies is morally reprehensible (not to mention illegal).

I bid you adieu.

Yeah - he took a button. In a time in which the world war on fire, your friends and family were being asked to sacrifice their lives in order to stop the spread of fascism across Europe, people were being railed away to their death camps, bombs were falling on civilian targets in an effort to destroy the will of the enemy... your concern is of someone taking a button? You must have one of the most warped senses of morals in which you fail to recognize the significance of an act.

Also taking someone off of a dead person - I really couldn't care less about, war has always had souvenirs, I am sure some Roman soldier took a Carthaginian statue home for his wife... it is just the nature of life - as long as someone isn't desecrating the body - that is the way things go. In times when you are ordered to shoot your fellow man, small things like caring about someone's buttons tends to go out the window... but then again, I am apparently a f#####g idiot, so what do I know?

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm actually really embarrassed by reading through the last few pages of this thread.

But I'll hold my tongue for once in my life.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

What difference does it make?

A world of

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm actually really embarrassed by reading through the last few pages of this thread.

But I'll hold my tongue for once in my life.

For once in my life I hope you don't!

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunnies

Putting your life at risk doesnt give you a free pass in the morality dept.

Spoken like someone that has never had to put there life at risk for anything

[transplant99]

Embarrassing.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

It was a symbol for fascism and from what I understand most items containing the emblem were burned and destroyed as they were captured all the way from the beginning to the end of the war. In this particular case the prisoners were stripped of their swastikas and imprisoned. Not killed.

It wasn't some German soldier's family photo... it was a symbol promoting the advancement of fascism and genocide.


It hasn't been on display anywhere and has spent the better part of seventy years in an envelope and now a safe. It was kept by my grandfather as a tangible reminder of the atrocities he put his life on the line to fight against.

Even to this day, to have a tangible piece that directly stemmed from the Nazi party is an important reminder in teaching the importance of the sacrifice of our soldiers from that war to new generations. It has always provoked discussion and learning when brought out and shared within our family.

Agree to disagree. you can say it has all this meaning, but from your original post it seems like its a trophy.

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

This thread is a reminder of how a little education can go a long way.

maybe you should educate yourself on the origins of the Second World War because you still think Canadians were fighting for freedom.

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

There is nothing celebratory about any of these stories.

Read those posts again.

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Why are we remembering battles and people being killed? Because it was WAR.

In that particular war, our relatives were fighting to protect and preserve our way of life.

BS. We declared war before a single atrocity was committed. In fact our ally did similar things in the previous decade and nobody lifted a finger. There is a Holomodor memorial in Bridgeland and I used to walk by it everyday. Its tiny compared to the plazas and statues of warriors with drawn weapons.

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

These petty arguments on the internet by bored and ignorant simpletons just looking to provoke controversy are really out of place in this thread, and in extremely poor taste.

You find then petty yet respond with several paragraphs?

[nik-]

Captain Obvious' grandfather should have taken more, as much as he could fit in his pack imo.

[Fluffy Bunnies]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Yeah - he took a button. In a time in which the world war on fire, your friends and family were being asked to sacrifice their lives in order to stop the spread of fascism across Europe, people were being railed away to their death camps, bombs were falling on civilian targets in an effort to destroy the will of the enemy... your concern is of someone taking a button? You must have one of the most warped senses of morals in which you fail to recognize the significance of an act.

Also taking someone off of a dead person - I really couldn't care less about, war has always had souvenirs, I am sure some Roman soldier took a Carthaginian statue home for his wife... it is just the nature of life - as long as someone isn't desecrating the body - that is the way things go. In times when you are ordered to shoot your fellow man, small things like caring about someone's buttons tends to go out the window... but then again, I am apparently a f#####g idiot, so what do I know?

I am amused at your pick and choose attitude when it comes to war morality.
If this was the Taliban on a Canadian soldier and were all over the news, you would be outraged along with all the other hypocrites in this thread. Dont try and deny it either.

[Fluffy Bunnies]

Originally Posted by J-bo09

Spoken like someone that has never had to put there life at risk for anything

I suppose you have then eh General?

Do tell me more about the complications and brutality of war ..........especially the part where "honourable" men of principle and sacrifice, toss those principles aside so they can add to their pin collection.

[Fluffy Bunnies]

Originally Posted by nik-

Captain Obvious' grandfather should have taken more, as much as he could fit in his pack imo.

Exhibit A of who not to accept in the army.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunnies

Exhibit A of who not to accept in the army.

Well, if you don't want to inconvenience your citizens, don't wage aggressive war.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by nik-

Well, if you don't want to inconvenience your citizens, don't lose an aggressive war.

fyp

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Bunnies

I am amused at your pick and choose attitude when it comes to war morality.
If this was the Taliban on a Canadian soldier and were all over the news, you would be outraged along with all the other hypocrites in this thread. Dont try and deny it either.

If a Taliban fighter captured a Canadian - treated him humanely, gave him adequate food and shelter as prescribed under the Geneva Convention... and took his maple leaf or his epaulet off his uniform and then released him after hostilities, I don't think I would be overly upset.

You are making it out to be if he took fingers and made a necklace out of them

[RougeUnderoos]

Good show on the History channel right now about Canadian paratroopers in WW2.

These old guys don't bull#### about how tough they were or any of that. "Of course I was scared all the time. The first time I was ever on an airplane I had to jump out of it".

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

BS. We declared war before a single atrocity was committed. In fact our ally did similar things in the previous decade and nobody lifted a finger. There is a Holomodor memorial in Bridgeland and I used to walk by it everyday. Its tiny compared to the plazas and statues of warriors with drawn weapons.

Sorry, we were originally fighting to protect and preserve the freedom of the Polish. Better?