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Old 11-10-2012, 12:09 PM   #621
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And as an added benefit I don't have to deal with the crappiest program ever designed

How's that for some fanboyism?
It's truth, not fanboyism.

I cannot wait to see the trainwreck that will be iTunes 11.
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Best part of iTunes is when you multiple select about 400 duplicate songs to delete, and right when you're ready to hit delete the program crashes leaving you with having wasted a hour of your time.
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Best part of iTunes is when you multiple select about 400 duplicate songs to delete, and right when you're ready to hit delete the program crashes leaving you with having wasted a hour of your time.
I thought the stellar performance with large libraries was its best feature myself
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Far better than any other program I have used. This is why I still use it to tag, organize and convert songs. Still a PITA when it crashes. Which happens a lot.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:57 PM   #625
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I've never had problems with iTunes; never really got the hate it gets, though maybe it's because I use the Mac version.

I do wish Google would release a better music manager for Google Music because their online interface is absolutely terrible for anything other than streaming. Some tags and cover art which were fine in iTunes and VLC got lost while uploading and it took hours to sort out simple issues that would've taken maybe 10 minutes to do in iTunes or any other desktop based music program. And even after that, I'll play music through it only to find out that certain songs don't have cover art attached even though the rest of the album does. Unfortunately there's no way I'm aware of to check this short of randomly running into it while playing songs.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:03 PM   #626
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I've never had problems with iTunes; never really got the hate it gets, though maybe it's because I use the Mac version.
Honestly, that is probably it. On a PC it is such a performance hog, it slows to a crawl at times when you're even trying to scroll through your music collection. Sometimes I wonder if Apple does it on purpose to the PC version so they can show how fast a Mac is if they compare the two programs.

The amount of time it freezes up is unbearable too.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:11 PM   #627
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I've never had problems with iTunes; never really got the hate it gets, though maybe it's because I use the Mac version.
There are still tons, and tons of issues with the Mac version. Stuff that doesn't even make sense, or is so obscure and undocumented you can only find it by chance.

Here's a nice example of a problem I can't solve: how do you globally reset the column view options for all albums?

Here's another good one: can you describe, in a sentence or two, how to guarantee iTunes embeds artwork in tracks, rather than updating the folder artwork? For bonus points, find where this behaviour is explained in the iTunes manual.

It's horrible software.
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:19 PM   #628
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I've never had problems with iTunes; never really got the hate it gets, though maybe it's because I use the Mac version.

I do wish Google would release a better music manager for Google Music because their online interface is absolutely terrible for anything other than streaming. Some tags and cover art which were fine in iTunes and VLC got lost while uploading and it took hours to sort out simple issues that would've taken maybe 10 minutes to do in iTunes or any other desktop based music program. And even after that, I'll play music through it only to find out that certain songs don't have cover art attached even though the rest of the album does. Unfortunately there's no way I'm aware of to check this short of randomly running into it while playing songs.
Same here.

Took me hours to organize everything, fix tags that I thought I had fixed, etc, etc.

I can live with because Google Music is absolutely incredible for my needs, but damn why don't these companies put some of their multi billion dollar engineering power into developing a good program when they release something like this?
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:24 PM   #629
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I use Media Monkey for all my tagging and organizing, iTunes only gets opened when I want to transfer something.
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Off topic a bit, but why if I used Mp3tag to tag all my music before I uploaded it to Google Music did all the tags remain screwed up? Is it because Google Music sucks, or because the tag wasn't properly applied?

All I needed was Name, Artist, Album Artist(since Google Music likes it), and Genre. The rest of the information like year, track number, etc, etc was okay, but I didn't input it. And yet despite correcting all the songs with the correct tag they still remained screwed up.

And is there a better way to delete duplicates other than going through the list on iTunes and having to manually select every file that I want to delete?
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:54 PM   #631
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Honestly, that is probably it. On a PC it is such a performance hog, it slows to a crawl at times when you're even trying to scroll through your music collection. Sometimes I wonder if Apple does it on purpose to the PC version so they can show how fast a Mac is if they compare the two programs.

The amount of time it freezes up is unbearable too.
iTunes has been called the Mac virus for windows for a reason.
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I use Media Monkey for all my tagging and organizing, iTunes only gets opened when I want to transfer something.
I've always used QMP which has access to gracenote and a few other tagging providers. Seems to work fairly well. Haven't used iTunes except to transfer stuff either.
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There are still tons, and tons of issues with the Mac version. Stuff that doesn't even make sense, or is so obscure and undocumented you can only find it by chance.

Here's a nice example of a problem I can't solve: how do you globally reset the column view options for all albums?

Here's another good one: can you describe, in a sentence or two, how to guarantee iTunes embeds artwork in tracks, rather than updating the folder artwork? For bonus points, find where this behaviour is explained in the iTunes manual.

It's horrible software.
Not sure about the column view, but for embedding the artwork into the files I used a script that handled that. Not the most elegant way to do things but it worked. And much like most of my complaints with Google Music, it's something that once it's done it's done for good so it wasn't a huge deal.

iTunes certainly has its issues, but frankly I haven't been very impressed with any music software. Any other options I've tried have either been needlessly complex, ugly, or didn't have some of the features I use all the time. Maybe my needs are simpler than other peoples', but basically all I want is software that's nice to look at, where I can browse albums with large artwork, that is capable of streaming to other devices and/or being controlled by a phone/tablet, and that is stable and responsive. I'm sure many people would take issue with the notion that iTunes could be described as stable and responsive, but I've never had an issue with it on my now ancient mid-2007 iMac with a 100GB music library.
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I've always used QMP which has access to gracenote and a few other tagging providers. Seems to work fairly well. Haven't used iTunes except to transfer stuff either.
I'm gonna try this. How does 'Gracenote' work with automatic tagging?
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I'm gonna try this. How does 'Gracenote' work with automatic tagging?
Once you've added all your music into QMP you right click on the file and go down the "MusicID: Identify track". This looks up the file on GraceNote and edits the MP3 ID tags to match the standardized tags online. Usually it fills in all the information like Genre, track, album, year, title and track artist.

This is great for some my legacy music from a long time ago before the tagging became more commonly used, also great for foreign music that sometimes have no tags. Allows me to Google the song/artist afterward if I want.
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What is the accuracy with the tags?
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itunes is a program made by satan.
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You keep throwing this term around hoping it sticks, but it doesn't. The only fanboy side of this I see is iFans and I'm not saying every iPhone user is an Apple fanboy but there are some, like yourself. I will go along with whoever is making the best phone that suits my need at the time. My last three phones have been, in order, Blackberry, iPhone, Android. My 4th in that succession will be an Android but if I'm looking to upgrade in 1-2 years time I'll look again what my needs are and where it fits. I'm personally excited to see what BB10 offers, if it ever actually arrives, as I've said in the Blackberry thread and I really like the Nokia Windows 8 phone I played with. I don't defend Google/Android whenever there is a slight against, in fact I've joined in on the slighting.

You take issue with whenever someone even looks at Apple wrong, that's what being a fanboy is all about, that's all you. You want to lump guys in the fandroid thing, well go ahead I guess. But I have little doubt when I see users like Bertuzzied, hemi, myself etc that they will move onto other platforms and devices as they see fit. Don't confuse using a device with being a fanboy. If I was a fanboy I would have started an entire thread about a new adapter.

I guess when you're stuck in the Apple ecosystem you have to do everything to justify that.

The most amusing part of this post is that you're the leader of the fandroid pack, and you don't even see it.

What I will grant you is that before Apple became the largest company in the world, their users loved to parade iWhatevers around. But it doesn't happen anymore. Your perspective is outdated. Let me explain why.

Nowadays, Android users are the ones walking around with a chip on their shoulder and a "my device is better than yours and you've never even heard of it" attitude. The difference between now and 10 years ago is that this whole shtick has already been done. Android users that are trying to be the Apple users of a decade ago are largely ignored, not 'edgy' or 'cool', or even noticed for that matter (maybe because to the majority of people a phone that looks like an iPhone is an iPhone). Again, times have changed. Android maybe offer a better experience to certain people, but it's not different enough for every type of to care. It never will be.

It's also become clear that for Android users to not look desperate in their obsession with bragging about the Google OS, they need Apple users to be just as willing to gloat - And that's another thing that has changed. The average Apple user is now a regular person, not an iClone with hours to spend telling people about their new smartphone. Sorry to disappoint.

I don't expect you, or any of the fandroid pack to accept anything I'm saying - But it's pretty obvious. Android users are the new Apple fanboys, only they don't have an exceptionally cool tech gadget to justify it.

Every time I read a post from you or the others you mentioned, it will be in this character:



I'm posting this from a Nexus 7, btw.
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What is the accuracy with the tags?
With any of those tools, I'd advise caution, if you value accuracy. Don't let it tag your entire library
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