11-05-2012, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Nyah
Wait a sec, having a pet pit bull at home that (like any other large dog) has the capability to 'eat' a kid, is worse parenting than standing your toddler on a railing with a huge drop into a wild animal encolsure? 
I certainly feel bad for the lady - but this isn't a regular old accident. Throw a three year old on a balance beam and see how long he lasts for. I can barely keep my balance on one of those things! This was outright stupidity and endagerment that ultimately led to her son being killed in a really awful way. I'm sure she's more aware than anyone of her 'mistake', but I'm not sure in this situation that knowledge should excuse what she did. |
I bet she thinks it was the zoo's fault and not her mistake at all.
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11-05-2012, 09:38 AM
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#42
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Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ
Terrible decision by the mother. All she wanted to do was allow her son to see the animals.
This kind of hits me in a way. My wife and I were going to take our son (10 months) to the Zoo today. I know I would probably hold him up so he could see things.
I'll be holding him extra tight when we do go. Certainly won't be balancing him on any railings or whatever.
Creepy feeling...
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I'm not trying to rag on you or parents or anything, but in light of this situation and the fact that I see people do this all time, why do people do this?
Your kid is 10 months old. He might get a mild kick out of seeing animals if he isnt asleep, but he will understand and remember nothing. Whats the point of holding him up so he can see?
Its basically you and your wife going to the zoo dragging a kid around because you have to or you cant really go out. Isnt that the basic deal?
As for this situation, you can feel bad for the mother all you want, but I dont see standing your kid on a wooden railing that overlooks wild carnivorous animals as being a responsible decision. Its unfortunate that it ended this way, but she seemingly acted very directly without considering her child's best interests.
You can say that the zoo's enclosure should have been 'more secure' but then you have to decide what that even means. When someone actively does something unsafe to what degree should the zoo be attempting to mitigate that?
Ask a thousand parents whether, hell, forget parents, ask a thousand people if this is a good idea and unless this woman is one of them, all of them will tell you that no, it isnt.
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11-05-2012, 10:21 AM
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#43
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Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED
Accidents happen; People make mistakes. The mother made a mistake, its not like she waisted at home while her pet pitt-bulls ate her son. Get a little perspective people, yes it was a stupid decision but regardless an unintended mistake much like a road accident.
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A child died. How's that for perspective?
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11-05-2012, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mikephoen
I bet she thinks it was the zoo's fault and not her mistake at all.
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Yup. Guaranteed. I'm sure litigation is on the menu as well.
Seriously, a 5 foot fence. I don't have kids, but even if there wasn't ravenous dogs 14 feet below on the other side, it seems like a terrible idea to me to leave a 2 year old standing alone with the risk of a 5 foot fall.
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11-05-2012, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Iginla
And the zoo for not ensuring nobody could fall into the enclosure. I mean they wouldn't have the same setup for lions or tigers would they? Sure the mom is dumb for putting her kid in that situation but the zoo will likely also be facing a negligence lawsuit and I bet they'll be re-arranging that enclosure before it re-opens.
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I don't know about the zoo being found negligent. There's only so much you're expected to do, is it really foreseeable that someone would leave a child to stand on top of a 5ft high railing above an exhibit? I could certainly see a court saying that it's not. I mean 5ft is chest high or above for pretty much the entire population, people aren't going to trip and fall over this railing. The only way this happens is if someone actively puts themselves, or in this case their child, into harms way. You can't expect everything to be encased in a bubble, courts certainly don't.
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11-05-2012, 10:47 AM
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I think the mother absoltely needs to be charged. I do feel terrible for her, but you can't just chalk it up to "accidents happen".
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11-05-2012, 10:59 AM
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I dont see what benefit you're going to get from charging the mom. What are they going to do? Is there much point to throwing her in jail?
Maybe if she has other kids social services might want to do their due diligence on her.
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11-05-2012, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by fotze
Curious what benefit to the world comes from charging the dummy?
Revenge? Possibly?
Deterrant? Zero deterrance effect from charges. ZERO.
Punishment? I guess.
Mental state evaluation? Maybe this will reveal that the mother has some sort of issue(s). Addiction? Mental Illness? Thats pretty much the only benefit to society this will provide.
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If you don't charge the parents for bad decisions like this, how long would it take until the Casey Anthonies of the world start disposing of their children by putting them in situations where deadly accidents are likely?
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11-05-2012, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Iginla
I'm over at my cousins house and just snapped a pic of his dogs and they agree.
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Haha I don't think I'll ever fully live that one down on here...good times. Kinda disappointed that never resulted in a custom user title actually.
As for OP, situation still too early/murky to start talking about pressing charges, but it certainly doesn't make her look very good anyway. Just a brutal situation all around.
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11-05-2012, 11:46 AM
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The boy and the parents responsible are idiots.
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11-05-2012, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rudee
The boy and the parents responsible are idiots.
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Yeah, stupid 3 year old.
If he were smarter he'd get back up, fight those dogs off, climb out of the habitat and go have brewski.
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11-05-2012, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ne7en
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11-05-2012, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke
I dont see what benefit you're going to get from charging the mom. What are they going to do? Is there much point to throwing her in jail?
Maybe if she has other kids social services might want to do their due diligence on her.
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I understand what you are saying but negligence causing death is a criminal offense and you can't pick and choose to whom laws apply. She will probably serve a short sentence anyway but it's proper she does time for the crime.
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11-05-2012, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I understand what you are saying but negligence causing death is a criminal offense and you can't pick and choose to whom laws apply. She will probably serve a short sentence anyway but it's proper she does time for the crime.
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I get it, and that makes sense as well, but I mean, if someone else killed her kid, she'd be the aggrieved party pressing charges. Presumably her husband wouldnt want to press charges as hed lose his kid and his wife although he may want her gone after a boneheaded move like that anyways.
I guess the way I see it in my head is that the parties that would be interested in seeing justice served are the parties that effectively 'injured' themselves so it seems circuitous to punish them.
At the same time, if there are no consequences then kids are going to be 'slipping' into dog cages at an alarming rate.
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11-05-2012, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ne7en
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Haha, this guy has barely posted in the few months, then comes out of the woodwork thinking he's got puckluck in a "gotcha" moment. Goes to the trouble of finding no less than eight links to really drive the point home. Only to find out that the picture, and posters claiming it's their cousins picture has become a CP meme. 
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11-05-2012, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I understand what you are saying but negligence causing death is a criminal offense and you can't pick and choose to whom laws apply. She will probably serve a short sentence anyway but it's proper she does time for the crime.
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I hope you're joking. There isn't a prosecutor in the world dumb enough to want to pursue charges.
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11-05-2012, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Iginla
I hope you're joking. There isn't a prosecutor in the world dumb enough to want to pursue charges.
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Not joking at all and I'm not sure you know what you are talking about.
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11-05-2012, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke
I get it, and that makes sense as well, but I mean, if someone else killed her kid, she'd be the aggrieved party pressing charges. Presumably her husband wouldnt want to press charges as hed lose his kid and his wife although he may want her gone after a boneheaded move like that anyways.
I guess the way I see it in my head is that the parties that would be interested in seeing justice served are the parties that effectively 'injured' themselves so it seems circuitous to punish them.
At the same time, if there are no consequences then kids are going to be 'slipping' into dog cages at an alarming rate.
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Nobody needs to 'press charges' for a prosecution to occur
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11-05-2012, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Iginla
I hope you're joking. There isn't a prosecutor in the world dumb enough to want to pursue charges.
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Green text? There are consistently cases where the negligent behavior of parents leading to the death of a child is prosecuted. Whether that rises to this level we don't know, but if there's a case to be made the prosecutor will be making it.
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