Apple "The New iPad" Thread

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Basically the same size, yet iPad mini is lighter, thinner and displays 67% more content in landscape.

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It's almost a full inch bigger then the Nexus 7, (7 vs 7.9) so I would hope having a full inch on it would make display more content. It's also more expensive with half the storage space (16gig mini, 32gig Nexus 7). Regardless I won't be using words like owned until I've used one in my own hand.

Just to add to this.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7...ni-vs-nexus-7/

the iPad Mini's 1,024x768-pixel resolution doesn't quite stand up to the Nexus 7's 1,280x800-pixel screen

there also was very little discussion of the processor inside the iPad Mini. While we heard how wonderful the A6X chipset is in the fourth-generation iPad, the details about its smaller counterpart were largely glossed over. We know it's an A5, but we also know that the Nexus 7 has a quad-core Tegra 3 chip. So at least on paper, the Android tablet bests the Apple tablet on multiple fronts.

To expand on the more real estate for browsing.

Again, it's difficult to argue with real numbers, but opinions are another matter. I have my own, but I don't claim that they're infallible. So when Schiller showed the Guggenheim Museum Web site, it was clear that the iPad Mini offers more space. But I don't buy Schiller's claim that the open tabs at the top of Chrome and buttons do not matter to the browsing experience.
I happen to love being able to hop from one open tab to another. The soft keys across the bottom come in very handy when going back or jumping to another Android app. Yes, it's true that they don't specifically factor into the Web experience, but many Android users like them. And their opinion isn't wrong because Apple says so.

[edslunch]

The reviewer does realize that safari on iPad also has tabs, right?

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by photon

And 4->8GB RAM, but yeah pretty much. The RAM upgrade is $100 so that's $400 to go from 1.8GHz to 2.5GHz and from an ok screen to an insane screen.. worth it IMO.

No build to order RAM upgrades on the 13" MBP - it's 8GB or bust. I wonder why they did that - maybe there isn't enough physical space inside the 13", what with all the battery it requires?

[chemgear]

Some interesting business thoughts from the Verge. The mini pricing model seems to make sense to me at this start point - why bother competing with products that are barely/not making profit at all?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3...er-cost-tablet

"I think what Apple has done here is create a new category of premium small tablet," Avi Greengart, research director for consumer devices at Current Analysis, told us after the event. "I don't think it negates the rationale for buying a $199 tablet." Instead, it appears Apple is simply opting out of the low end of the market altogether, much like it's done with personal computers. "I don't think this puts Amazon, Barnes & Noble, or Google out of business, but it means that those three — and anyone else entering that market segment — are all competing against each other for the budget consumer." It's a classic Apple strategic move: entering a pre-existing market with a premium device, and banking on design and ease of use to take it to the front of the pack. It's the same strategy Cupertino used with the original iPod 10 years ago, which originally sold at $399 with a mere 5GB of storage, competing against much cheaper MP3 players.

Still, there's no doubt the price of the iPad mini leaves the door open for competitors. Fraser Speirs, head of computing and IT at the Cedars School of Excellence in the UK, told us that the educational market — which Apple targeted heavily this morning with a new version of iBooks Author — can be particularly susceptible to pricing concerns.

Either way, Apple stands to have little to fear in terms of lost profits should the iPad mini chip away at the sales of higher-priced products. "By pricing it at $329 and ensuring they make a healthy profit, Apple doesn't care if they cannibalize their other products," Greengart said. It's the freedom provided by Apple's basic business model: hardware sold at a consistent profit margin — promoted by app and content ecosystems — rather than hardware sold at cost in order to promote an ecosystem. Apple doesn't care what price point you come in at, as long as you walk in the door.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Some interesting business thoughts from the Verge. The mini pricing model seems to make sense to me at this start point - why bother competing with products that are barely/not making profit at all?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3...er-cost-tablet

"I think what Apple has done here is create a new category of premium small tablet," Avi Greengart, research director for consumer devices at Current Analysis, told us after the event. "I don't think it negates the rationale for buying a $199 tablet." Instead, it appears Apple is simply opting out of the low end of the market altogether, much like it's done with personal computers. "I don't think this puts Amazon, Barnes & Noble, or Google out of business, but it means that those three — and anyone else entering that market segment — are all competing against each other for the budget consumer." It's a classic Apple strategic move: entering a pre-existing market with a premium device, and banking on design and ease of use to take it to the front of the pack. It's the same strategy Cupertino used with the original iPod 10 years ago, which originally sold at $399 with a mere 5GB of storage, competing against much cheaper MP3 players.

Still, there's no doubt the price of the iPad mini leaves the door open for competitors. Fraser Speirs, head of computing and IT at the Cedars School of Excellence in the UK, told us that the educational market — which Apple targeted heavily this morning with a new version of iBooks Author — can be particularly susceptible to pricing concerns.

Either way, Apple stands to have little to fear in terms of lost profits should the iPad mini chip away at the sales of higher-priced products. "By pricing it at $329 and ensuring they make a healthy profit, Apple doesn't care if they cannibalize their other products," Greengart said. It's the freedom provided by Apple's basic business model: hardware sold at a consistent profit margin — promoted by app and content ecosystems — rather than hardware sold at cost in order to promote an ecosystem. Apple doesn't care what price point you come in at, as long as you walk in the door.

I agree. I've read other analysts saying Apple missed the opportunity to smoke the other vendors with a low cost product. But that misses the point. Apple would rather sell 10 million at 35% markup than 20 million at 0%.

[edslunch]

Not that Apple's business strategy should have any bearing on consumer buying habits.

[Russic]

The pricing strategy does make sense in an Apple-ish sort of way. The lower end has always been available to them. They could sell items at a loss just to get credit cards into the app store, but they've never gone that direction. In hindsight it didn't make much sense to think they'd go there this time. I figured it would be in the $329 range when they announced the $300 iPod Touch.

[Bertuzzied]

They shouldn't have pissed away their relationship with samsung. Supply problems with the mini too.

The iPad mini is a day old and yet to open for pre-orders, but there are already supply concerns for Apple’s (NASDAQ:AAPL) brand new product going into the busy holiday shopping season. According to NPD DisplaySearch analyst Richard Shim, in the absence of Samsung as a supplier, one of Apple’s two manufacturers for the mini’s 7.9-inch display is having problems meeting planned yield rates.
Samsung, a traditional Apple display vendor, has not been enlisted to supply panels for the iPad mini, with LG Display (NYSE:LPL) and AUO Optronics (NYSE:AUO) filling in.


http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/i...y-doomed.html/

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

They shouldn't have pissed away their relationship with samsung.

Much of their relationship isn’t overly surprising.

Just a few years ago the Samsung Chairman was publicly dragged away by police and accused/convicted of a multitude of crimes (tax evasion, embezzling his own company, slush fund to bribe government and judges, etc.) Heck, the same slush fund bought him a full pardon to go back to running the company and the crazy nepotism they follow.

At the end of the day, can’t be too surprised with Samsung – it’s how they roll. If you’re going to buy parts and deal with them, I assume you’re doing it with your eyes wide open. Maybe Apple said, “better the devil you know” perhaps?

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Much of their relationship isn’t overly surprising.

Just a few years ago the Samsung Chairman was publicly dragged away by police and accused/convicted of a multitude of crimes (tax evasion, embezzling his own company, slush fund to bribe government and judges, etc.) Heck, the same slush fund bought him a full pardon to go back to running the company and the crazy nepotism they follow.

At the end of the day, can’t be too surprised with Samsung – it’s how they roll. If you’re going to buy parts and deal with them, I assume you’re doing it with your eyes wide open. Maybe Apple said, “better the devil you know” perhaps?

yeah like Foxconn and other chinese companies they use are super reputable. haha

At the end of the day when you are giving insane estimates by analysts you better have a steady stream of supply for your product.

[The Yen Man]

Apple is smart to price point the mini so high. Afterall, it's not an Apple product if it's not pricey.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Apple is smart to price point the mini so high. Afterall, it's not an Apple product if doesn't have a high margin/actually makes a profit.

fyp

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The reviewer does realize that safari on iPad also has tabs, right?

I don't know, so let's forget that?

The better screen and better processors far outweigh lighter and thinner IMO. Not to mention the much better cost. Fail to see how Apple has "pwnd" Google in any way shape or form on this.

[sclitheroe]

Lotsa butthurt on the web today from whiny iPad 3 owners feeling jilted by the arrival of the 4th gen 10", fanned by bloggers desperate for page views.

I'll say this much, if you can pry a gently used iPad 3 out of one of these morons hands for a good price, go for it. There is nothing wrong at all with the iPad 3 or the way it performs, and its not going to be obsoleted any time soon (unlike the iPad Mini, btw, which almost certainly only has 512 Meg's of RAM)

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I don't know, so let's forget that?

The better screen and better processors far outweigh lighter and thinner IMO. Not to mention the much better cost. Fail to see how Apple has "pwnd" Google in any way shape or form on this.

Well at the time I posted I was specifically thinking of the screen size comparison showing 67% more usable real estate in a device that's only 14% bigger. But I forgot, you android guys don't care about screen size...:-)

[Slava]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Well at the time I posted I was specifically thinking of the screen size comparison showing 67% more usable real estate in a device that's only 14% bigger. But I forgot, you android guys don't care about screen size...:-)

If its all about screen size why wouldn't people just spend the $70 and buy an iPad2?

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by fotze

When they launch these things do they usually sell out in the store on the first day? Looking at buying the new big iPad. Is it better to just order online and wait for delivery?

I have found it much easier than bothering to go to the store myself. They'll give you tracking information directly from China. And depending on how quickly you manage to hit the website to order it, it'll probably arrive the same day as release. (And you won't have to dirty yourself by being in physical contact with Apple fanboys who will be at the stores. )

At worst, you might be a day or two later - I guess it might depend how much you want it the day it's out?

But then again, I almost never bother with going to the mall/stores anymore - I just get everything (books, games, comics, electronics, etc.) shipped directly to me.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by fotze

When they launch these things do they usually sell out in the store on the first day? Looking at buying the new big iPad. Is it better to just order online and wait for delivery?

Whenever a new apple product comes out we just head over to the NE and they have plenty of stock there. haha. Marlborough Mall for iphones and sunridge best buy for ipads.

[photon]

My wife wants an iPad mini, but I might try to convince her to wait for the refresh where it'll probably get a higher resolution screen.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Whenever a new apple product comes out we just head over to the NE and they have plenty of stock there. haha. Marlborough Mall for iphones and sunridge best buy for ipads.

My God man; it's the Northeast!! An iPhone or iPad isn't worth getting shot or killed!!!