2012 NCAA football thread

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by moon

You honestly think the bad call was made "to keep them undefeated" and not because it was a big pile up and tough to see?

They got it wrong, I don't know why, and don't quickly jump to conspiracy theories ... they way you quickly do when the stamps have a bad call against them. However its perfectly clear that he did not touch the ground.

Originally Posted by moon

ND was outplaying Stanford and likely to win whether refs called that a TD or not.

You realize it was the last play of the game right? You think it's a forgone conclusion that ND would have won either way? Do you even watch football? or just randomly reply to things on here?

Originally Posted by moon

And his forward progress was definitely stopped. The refs didn't call it dead do I guess the TD shoud count but they should have blown it dead based on his forward progress.

And that would be wrong. He was still moving and fighting for yards. yes his momentum stopped but he wasn't in anyones grasp, proved by the fact that he kept working his way into the end zone. If the whistle blew dead the instant someone stopped moving forward every second play would look materially different. Its common for momentum to stop very quickly only to be regained again before going down.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

They got it wrong, I don't know why, and don't quickly jump to conspiracy theories ... they way you quickly do when the stamps have a bad call against them. However its perfectly clear that he did not touch the ground.

You realize it was the last play of the game right? You think it's a forgone conclusion that ND would have won either way? Do you even watch football? or just randomly reply to things on here?



And that would be wrong. He was still moving and fighting for yards. yes his momentum stopped but he wasn't in anyones grasp, proved by the fact that he kept working his way into the end zone. If the whistle blew dead the instant someone stopped moving forward every second play would look materially different. Its common for momentum to stop very quickly only to be regained again before going down.

I only talk conspiracy theory with Stamps and every other CFL team with the Priders, not close to with any bad call that goes against them.

Of course it wasn't a foregone conclusion that ND would have won but the way Stanford was playing it didn't look likely that their offender was going to do much.

To me it looked like ND stopped, which was wrong by them, because they saw his forward momentum was stopped. Not the right move by them but it doesn't change that forward progress was stopped and most times that is blown dead.

Good to see the garbage "do you even watch" BS is brought out by you.

[octothorp]

And to think that I thought ASU might be a trap game for Oregon. Ducks up 43-7 early in the second quarter against a defense that's been giving up 17 per game on average.

[nik-]

up 43 to 7 ... go for it on 4th down. What is with these ######bag coaches? Is this Oregon coach another Gundy?

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by nik-

up 43 to 7 ... go for it on 4th down. What is with these ######bag coaches? Is this Oregon coach another Gundy?

Oregon has possibly held back moreso than any other program so far this year. The starters are rarely playing halfway through the 3rd almost all year. They had both feet on the brakes for almost half of the game last night ... very typical and almost a replica of every single game this year. If you look at the past scores you'll see they do almost all their scoring in the first half, then coast it in.

However, even if he did have his foot on the gas, so what? What is it about football fans that make them bedwetters when the score is lopsided. The other team is still trying, and there's no Geneva convention on how you must handle yourself if you are up by 36. If the flames get a power play in the 3rd and are up 5-1, they still send 5 skaters out, they still try to score. Fans don't run in circles with their arms flailing like the can't believe they scored to make it 6-1!

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Oregon has possibly held back moreso than any other program so far this year. The starters are rarely playing halfway through the 3rd almost all year. They had both feet on the brakes for almost half of the game last night ... very typical and almost a replica of every single game this year. If you look at the past scores you'll see they do almost all their scoring in the first half, then coast it in.

However, even if he did have his foot on the gas, so what? What is it about football fans that make them bedwetters when the score is lopsided. The other team is still trying, and there's no Geneva convention on how you must handle yourself if you are up by 36. If the flames get a power play in the 3rd and are up 5-1, they still send 5 skaters out, they still try to score. Fans don't run in circles with their arms flailing like the can't believe they scored to make it 6-1!

Oh come on, it's a dick move. These aren't pros. There's ZERO reason to go for it on 4th down up 43 to 7.

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by nik-

Oh come on, it's a dick move. These aren't pros. There's ZERO reason to go for it on 4th down up 43 to 7.

I'd argue playing AJ McCarron well into the 4th quarter against Western Kentucky is even a bigger dick move.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Oregon has possibly held back moreso than any other program so far this year. The starters are rarely playing halfway through the 3rd almost all year. They had both feet on the brakes for almost half of the game last night ... very typical and almost a replica of every single game this year. If you look at the past scores you'll see they do almost all their scoring in the first half, then coast it in.

However, even if he did have his foot on the gas, so what? What is it about football fans that make them bedwetters when the score is lopsided. The other team is still trying, and there's no Geneva convention on how you must handle yourself if you are up by 36. If the flames get a power play in the 3rd and are up 5-1, they still send 5 skaters out, they still try to score. Fans don't run in circles with their arms flailing like the can't believe they scored to make it 6-1!

Sure, but they don't pull the goalie. Going for it on 4th down up 36 is garbage. It's also what I expect from that program.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

I'd argue playing AJ McCarron well into the 4th quarter against Western Kentucky is even a bigger dick move.

28 total points is not a 43-7 lead and going for it on 4th, but ok, I guess you can argue that.

Originally Posted by valo403

Sure, but they don't pull the goalie. Going for it on 4th down up 36 is garbage. It's also what I expect from that program.

What got me is I don't really expect it from that program. Yes, they light people up, but that was OSU Cowboys type crap.

[wpgflamesfan]

I think the one play in isolation could be considered classless but the Ducks pulled all their starters at the half and basically ran one play the rest of the game. All in all, it's not that big of a deal.

[Flames in 07]

they had the b squad in for almost half the freaking game. my god. if you don't like being scored on, stop them.

Lastly, Oregon is running, ASU is throwing, the game ends sooner the longer Oregon has the ball. Less plays, less chance of injury and less scoring. The reality is that Oregon didn't try to score for about 25 minutes of that game, that should be plainly obvious to anyone who understands the game.

But even if they were trying to score, who cares, your supposed to try and score, otherwise why play?

[moon]

Maybe Phil Knight is paying now for 4th down conversions and the scrubs wanted to make sure they got their bonus to go along with their weekly salary?

[PIMking]

I was excited for the ASU vs Oregon game last night. So excited that I fell asleep a half hour before the start of the game. I ended up waking up with like 7 mins to go in the first half and oregon was up 42-7 it was nuts. I tell you what, Oregon may be the team to break the SEC's strangle hold on the championship.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

they had the b squad in for almost half the freaking game. my god. if you don't like being scored on, stop them.

Lastly, Oregon is running, ASU is throwing, the game ends sooner the longer Oregon has the ball. Less plays, less chance of injury and less scoring. The reality is that Oregon didn't try to score for about 25 minutes of that game, that should be plainly obvious to anyone who understands the game.

But even if they were trying to score, who cares, your supposed to try and score, otherwise why play?

You legitimately don't see the difference between keeping on scoring and going for it on 4th down up 35? Like do you really not see the difference?

[PIMking]

The Polls are a beauty contest, Oregon knows that they need to score and look bulletproof like this to make sure the human voters see it. Since the computers don't compute margin of victory they need the style. Just like Bama running it in during garbage time

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by PIMking

The Polls are a beauty contest, Oregon knows that they need to score and look bulletproof like this to make sure the human voters see it. Since the computers don't compute margin of victory they need the style. Just like Bama running it in during garbage time

What you say is correct, however that's not what they are doing ... they are simply killing the clock. if they cared about points, they'd be launching #24 50 yards at a time.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by nik-

You legitimately don't see the difference between keeping on scoring and going for it on 4th down up 35? Like do you really not see the difference?

You legitimately don't see that playing almost all backups is the same as placing both feet on the brakes?

To answer your question yes, i legitimately see that. How many points did they score in the second half? Don't reply to this without ignoring that. And the reason why isn't because they can't ... they hang half a hundred on almost everyone so far with their eyes closed. All they did in the second half is wipe out the clock with as small number of plays as possible. Giving ASU the ball significantly increases the number of plays the game will have.

What is unescapable is that there is a lot of bedwetting all about a team that didn't even score in the entire 2nd half. They purposely did several things to ensure they either rarely or never scored. Again not because they didn't know how, but because they didn't want to. Go ahead, tell me how that's incorrect.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

You legitimately don't see that playing almost all backups is the same as placing both feet on the brakes?

To answer your question yes, i legitimately see that. How many points did they score in the second half? Don't reply to this without ignoring that. And the reason why isn't because they can't ... they hang half a hundred on almost everyone so far with their eyes closed. All they did in the second half is wipe out the clock with as small number of plays as possible. Giving ASU significantly increases the number of plays the game will have.

What is unescapable is that there is a lot of bedwetting all about a team that didn't even score in the entire 2nd half. They purposely did several things to ensure they either rarely or never scored. Again not because they didn't know how, but because they didn't want to. Go ahead, tell me how that's incorrect.

Yeah, I get that. What I'm saying is that doing that doesn't negate being a ###### previously.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah, I get that. What I'm saying is that doing that doesn't negate being a ###### previously.

You said "Keep on scoring" actually I don't think you get it at all.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

You said "Keep on scoring" actually I don't think you get it at all.

holy christ. Again, keeping on scoring isn't the same as going trying to convert on 4th down up 35 points.

If they're handing the ball off to the back and he's not getting stopped, then whatever. Going for it on 4th is what you do when you're losing late, not when you're up by 35. THAT individual act was a complete dick move, regardless of what followed it. I CANNOT express this anymore simply to you. So if you continue to reference the fact that they pulled their starters in the second, there's really no more to say.