2012 Fantasy Football Thread

[Sainters7]

The big question there is "if". IF Newton returns to '11 form, then its a good deal. But will he? Eli's the much safer bet, plus he puts up elite fantasy #'s. With Newton its a gamble. Personally I wouldn't do it, but its your call.

Who's your back-up QB? The only way I'd do it is if I had a pretty solid back-up, and a dud at TE.

[Pagal4321]

I wouldn't do it either.

I'm trying to decide whether to pick up Josh Gordon or Kendall Wright in my PPR league. Wright averages 6 catches a game and Gordon has that HR ability. Not generally a fan of feast or famine players.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

The big question there is "if". IF Newton returns to '11 form, then its a good deal. But will he? Eli's the much safer bet, plus he puts up elite fantasy #'s. With Newton its a gamble. Personally I wouldn't do it, but its your call.

Who's your back-up QB? The only way I'd do it is if I had a pretty solid back-up, and a dud at TE.

Backup QB is Vick, backup TE is whoever is available on waivers (Pettigrew/Davis). The reason I like Newton is because he can have a game where he goes crazy and puts up 30 points. But he can also have a game where he puts up 7. Eli is always in the 10-20 range.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

I wouldn't do it either.

I'm trying to decide whether to pick up Josh Gordon or Kendall Wright in my PPR league. Wright averages 6 catches a game and Gordon has that HR ability. Not generally a fan of feast or famine players.

I'd go Gordon, because 3 rec for 80 yards and a TD will probably be worth more than 6 catches for 100 yards

[sevenarms]

In my CP league Newton has put up 81.06 fantasy points in 5 games (avg 16.21) while Eli has put up 106.38 in 6 games (17.73). That's not significantly different. The big difference is that Newton can easily start putting up bigger numbers while Eli will most likely maintain the current pace.

Their average output is extremely close but Newton has much more upside.

Not to mention Gronk was one of the two TE's who were heads above everyone else last season.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by sevenarms

In my CP league Newton has put up 81.06 fantasy points in 5 games (avg 16.21) while Eli has put up 106.38 in 6 games (17.73). That's not significantly different. The big difference is that Newton can easily start putting up bigger numbers while Eli will most likely maintain the current pace.

Their average output is extremely close but Newton has much more upside.

Not to mention Gronk was one of the two TE's who were heads above everyone else last season.

Your league is your league.

In our league Eli has put up 104.88 and Newton has 87.06.

Also Gronk put up his numbers last year, what has he done lately? After 6 games 356 yards and 3 TD's for an average of 59 yards a game and a TD every 2 games. Hernandez has 89 yards and 2 TD's in 2 games, good for 44 yards a game and a TD a game.

Last year the trade would have been different, but Gronk isn't head and shoulders above every TE like he was last year.

[Sainters7]

Ya exactly, last year. If that was a trade offered to you last year it'd be outstanding in your favour. I have Gronk this year in one of my leagues, even took him before I took a WR in the thinking he'd basically be my de facto #1 WR, seeing as he outscored most WR's last season. But it hasn't really happened, and I've been scrambling to reshape my WR corps ever since to compensate. He's still putting up solid #'s, but its not like last year, and who knows how long that hip injury will slow him.

If you wanna take it then go for it, just don't think you're getting the Newton/Gronk of last season. At least it doesn't look that way so far.

[return to the red]

Last week I pulled the trigger on a Vernon Davis and Calvin Johnson for Wes Welker, Hernandez and P. Manning trade.

My qbs were Rivers and Newton so I dropped Rivers to make room, At the start of the year I was extremely happy to grab Newton but he just isn't what he was last year.

[sevenarms]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Your league is your league.

In our league Eli has put up 104.88 and Newton has 87.06.

Also Gronk put up his numbers last year, what has he done lately? After 6 games 356 yards and 3 TD's for an average of 59 yards a game and a TD every 2 games. Hernandez has 89 yards and 2 TD's in 2 games, good for 44 yards a game and a TD a game.

Last year the trade would have been different, but Gronk isn't head and shoulders above every TE like he was last year.

Are you guys forgetting that Newton already has had his bye week game? In your league Eli has averaged 17.48 points to Newton's 17.41. In that setup I'd take Newton over Eli in a heartbeat dues to his upside potential. I don't know what the poster's scoring is but it's going to be close.

Sure Gronk hasn't put up last years numbers but maybe he's just been underperforming. Case in point, Jordy Nelson had been completely written off as a one hit wonder and then explodes for 3 td's last year. Who's to say that Gronkowski won't pick it up. Hernandez has been playing through an ankle injury and isn't quite 100%.

This year Eli/Hernandez haven't been better or have at least been equal to Newton/Gronkowski but the latter has the better shot of improving over the course of the season.

[Hockeyguy15]

No matter how you keep spinning it everyone but you has said to not do the trade.

Gronk and Hernandez are pretty much a wash. Netwon vs Eli, I will take the player who contantly scores.

You can pay for potential if you want, but potential doesn't win games. Go for the player that performs.

[sevenarms]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

No matter how you keep spinning it everyone but you has said to not do the trade.

Gronk and Hernandez are pretty much a wash. Netwon vs Eli, I will take the player who contantly scores.

You can pay for potential if you want, but potential doesn't win games. Go for the player that performs.

My point is the Newton isn't really performing worse than Eli. Passing wise he's underperforming Eli but Newton's running game levels the playing field. If both sides are currently performing the same I'd pick the side with more potential.

I don't mean to prattle and rant but this is my opinion and it's fine to disagree, something which the entirety of this board has. I wanted to give the reasons behind why I think Newton/Gronk will perform better than Eli/Hernandez of the course of this season and I'll leave it at that.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

I wouldn't do it either.

I'm trying to decide whether to pick up Josh Gordon or Kendall Wright in my PPR league. Wright averages 6 catches a game and Gordon has that HR ability. Not generally a fan of feast or famine players.

The one thing i have learned from ppr is to value those catches alot, depending on how much they are worth (ours are worth .5) the points pile up quick if you are getting 5-6 catches per game.
Tds become gravy Since you cant count on them but you can count on the number of looks a guy gets as it is usually consistant week to week

[Bootsy]

Originally Posted by sevenarms

In my CP league Newton has put up 81.06 fantasy points in 5 games (avg 16.21) while Eli has put up 106.38 in 6 games (17.73). That's not significantly different. The big difference is that Newton can easily start putting up bigger numbers while Eli will most likely maintain the current pace.

Their average output is extremely close but Newton has much more upside.

Not to mention Gronk was one of the two TE's who were heads above everyone else last season.

Here's the problem with going by avg...Newton is hot and cold this year his avg is brought up by 1 or 2 weeks where he hits 30 but then follows that with a an 8 , where as Manning's avg is near the same weekly. I find in most FFLs what you look for is consistency. That will give you a better W-L record over the year. Sure you may blow out an opponent here and there with Newton's big weeks but for crap weeks he ends up costing you.
I went through the same thing with Vick last year after his big 2010 and it drove me nuts.

[Cheerio]

The main reason I'm considering this is that my team sucks. Like usually loses by ~50 points in nfl.com standard scoring. I'm 2-4 and the only games I won were the one where Nicks and Eli combined for 50 points, and the other one was when my opponent put up 50 points.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

The main reason I'm considering this is that my team sucks. Like usually loses by ~50 points in nfl.com standard scoring. I'm 2-4 and the only games I won were the one where Nicks and Eli combined for 50 points, and the other one was when my opponent put up 50 points.

Well I don't think the trade will help you.

Who do you have on your team?

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Well I don't think the trade will help you.

Who do you have on your team?

QB: Vick, Eli
RB: McCoy, Chris Johnson, Fred Jackson, Mikel LeShoure
WR: Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Hakeem Nicks, Denarius Moore, Miles Austin
TE: Aaron Hernandez
K: Crosby
Def: Cardinals

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

QB: Vick, Eli
RB: McCoy, Chris Johnson, Fred Jackson, Mikel LeShoure
WR: Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Hakeem Nicks, Denarius Moore, Miles Austin
TE: Aaron Hernandez
K: Crosby
Def: Cardinals

So basically your RB's and injuries are the issue. Why would you trade for a QB and TE, wouldn't you rather have RB help?

What I would try and do is package a couple WR's or a WR and RB to upgrade your RB position.

[rubecube]

Kenny Britt or Anquan Boldin this week?

[Hockeyguy15]

Even though Flacco is bad on the road, I think I would lean to Boldin. The TD masked how bad Britt was last week.

[Pagal4321]

Everyone is high on Britt this week but he's boom or bust. Baltimore should be in a shootout with Houston, so I'd lean to Boldin.