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[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Woot that was great! Kinda pissed at the ending though. They showed scenes from the entire season instead of just next episode's!

Also they have to kill off Lori. Sooooo damn annoying.

well...

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seriously, major spoiler from the comic

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[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

well...

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seriously, major spoiler from the comic

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yeah but as we have seen from the TV show it doesn't follow the true comic story line. Shane lasted 2 seasons longer than he should and i'm not sure if they are going to kill off a baby on US tv.

[trackercowe]

So what's the story with the can of food? Why didn't Rick let Carl eat whatever was in it?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

So what's the story with the can of food? Why didn't Rick let Carl eat whatever was in it?

It was dog food.

[jhunt223]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

well...

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seriously, major spoiler from the comic

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That would be fantastic.

[Hockey]

Why does Michonne have those 2 walkers chained up?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Hockey

Why does Michonne have those 2 walkers chained up?

I believe one is her boyfriend, and one is her brother.

Either way, she's the kind of gal who can keep men on a short leash.

[Kipperriffic]

Last 5 mins were pretty intense

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I believe one is her boyfriend, and one is her brother.

Either way, she's the kind of gal who can keep men on a short leash.

Remember your spoiler tags.

[Daradon]

Pretty cool episode, I won't bother reiterating stuff earlier people said.

However, I'm having more and more problems with the theory around how the zombies and the contagion operate. It's probably me just being too critical and not being able to separate real life from TV life. But:

If everyone is already infected, than we know the contagion by itself doesn't kill you. But the whole premise is that many people since the beginning have died and risen as a zombie simply by getting bit. From a bite or wound that wouldn't be fatal. Just because a zombie wounded them. So which is it? Is the contagion fatal, or is it not?

Unless there is two types of contagion. The dormant kind that lies in wait for you to die, and a modified kind that somehow mutates once you become a zombie and can be passed on to cause death as well as zombification that way.

Maybe they already thought of something like that, but I hope it makes sense.

Also, how the heck do zombies live so long without sustenance? We've seen great numbers since the beginning that are trapped somewhere, no humans or animals to feast on, yet they shamble on. Now it's been an additional 8-9 months. We don't see them eating each other, so what the heck? Any living being needs to replenish their energy somehow. Even if you consider them to be dead humans, they are still a life sort of some kind. They walk around, they expend energy.

Not to mention that most of them have gaping wounds. They'd bleed out. I don't care if your a zombie or not, you need to have blood to survive. Or at the very least to operate your body. You wouldn't be able to move. And even if it is only the brain stem, that still needs blood to walk the automaton around.

As I said, I'm just finding it harder to take that leap, but I'm not sure it could ever be answered, even with fictional TV science.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Pretty cool episode, I won't bother reiterating stuff earlier people said.

However, I'm having more and more problems with the theory around how the zombies and the contagion operate. It's probably me just being too critical and not being able to separate real life from TV life. But:

If everyone is already infected, than we know the contagion by itself doesn't kill you. But the whole premise is that many people since the beginning have died and risen as a zombie simply by getting bit. From a bite or wound that wouldn't be fatal. Just because a zombie wounded them. So which is it? Is the contagion fatal, or is it not?

Unless there is two types of contagion. The dormant kind that lies in wait for you to die, and a modified kind that somehow mutates once you become a zombie and can be passed on to cause death as well as zombification that way.

Maybe they already thought of something like that, but I hope it makes sense.

Also, how the heck do zombies live so long without sustenance? We've seen great numbers since the beginning that are trapped somewhere, no humans or animals to feast on, yet they shamble on. Now it's been an additional 8-9 months. We don't see them eating each other, so what the heck? Any living being needs to replenish their energy somehow. Even if you consider them to be dead humans, they are still a life sort of some kind. They walk around, they expend energy.

Not to mention that most of them have gaping wounds. They'd bleed out. I don't care if your a zombie or not, you need to have blood to survive. Or at the very least to operate your body. You wouldn't be able to move. And even if it is only the brain stem, that still needs blood to walk the automaton around.

As I said, I'm just finding it harder to take that leap, but I'm not sure it could ever be answered, even with fictional TV science.

I've never understood how they don't just die off because of lack of energy.

As for the infected though, I thought the people who survived were "special", though they have the virus they didn't turn like everyone else did, however when they are bit the virus becomes too "powerful" so they become Walkers.

This is my theory anyway. It's a zombie show so I try and suppress my desire for questioning it.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Daradon

If everyone is already infected, than we know the contagion by itself doesn't kill you. But the whole premise is that many people since the beginning have died and risen as a zombie simply by getting bit. From a bite or wound that wouldn't be fatal. Just because a zombie wounded them. So which is it? Is the contagion fatal, or is it not?

Everybody is infected. If you happen to get bitten by a zombie you get a nasty fever; and your cause of death is the fever. So you become a zombie because you died of a fever. At that point the fact that the cause of the fever is irrelevant.

However at the begining of the outbreak most people who came back were people who had been bitten.

This also explains how Carol's daughter was in the barn; she could have fallen or drowned or something. She would have died, come back, and then Hershal put her in the barn.

As for how the zombies live for so long without food- maybe it's like the one that got Hershal. They go to "sleep" until something wakes them up.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Everybody is infected. If you happen to get bitten by a zombie you get a nasty fever; and your cause of death is the fever. So you become a zombie because you died of a fever. At that point the fact that the cause of the fever is irrelevant.

However at the begining of the outbreak most people who came back were people who had been bitten.

This also explains how Carol's daughter was in the barn; she could have fallen or drowned or something. She would have died, come back, and then Hershal put her in the barn.

As for how the zombies live for so long without food- maybe it's like the one that got Hershal. They go to "sleep" until something wakes them up.

There are actually two "types" of zombies in the Walking Dead universe. The "roamers" are your typical walking around following sound zombies and the "lurkers" the ones that just sit around and really only move if prey gets close to them.

There is actually a board called roamers and lurkers and they have some pretty good Walking Dead info.

[Radio]

I don't think the zombies are attacking because they "hungry", I think it's more of a rage thing. They are animated bodies, if the head can be severed and still "attack", then they obviously don't need to eat to keep their energy up.

When someone is bitten they get a fever, a sickness that kills them. Perhaps it's 2 separate diseases.

Just my take on it though.

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In the comics they don't cut the twins dad's leg off right away and they speculate that they waited too long. When they hack Dale's off it is more like Herschel's, they do it right away. As a result Dale lives and the other guy dies of the fever.

[Hockeyguy15]

Think of the zombie bite as a staph infection, but way worse. You quickly get a deadly infection, but there are no antibiotics to fix it.

If you think about it a zombie's mouth is a great place for multiple infectious bacteria and what not to live in. Rotting flesh, blood, what ever illnesses the people it ate had.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

There are actually two "types" of zombies in the Walking Dead universe. The "roamers" are your typical walking around following sound zombies and the "lurkers" the ones that just sit around and really only move if prey gets close to them.

There is actually a board called roamers and lurkers and they have some pretty good Walking Dead info.

that was my main problem with the episode. how many times now have they been surprised by a lurker? you'd think by now that they would just do a quick brain stab of any unconfirmed body they come across, or at least put a little distance between it and you. Herschel stepping over that lurker was just stupid

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

that was my main problem with the episode. how many times now have they been surprised by a lurker? you'd think by now that they would just do a quick brain stab of any unconfirmed body they come across, or at least put a little distance between it and you. Herschel stepping over that lurker was just stupid

True but keep in mind it was dark and there were plenty of bodies littering the hallways and he was in a little panic because Maggie was missing.

Was it smart of him/them to not stab every body in the head? No, but they wanted to move quickly and quietly, and at the same time we get to see another effect of the lack of food and sleep...Worse decisions are made.

[Ozy_Flame]

It's interesting that the zombies are still moving about - how much time has passed in the storyline since the start of the series? Lori looks to be 6-8 months pregnant, which suggests that these zombies are moving around, without sustinence, for the same amount of time.

This is in addition to the zombie's cerebellum still being relatively in tact, which, without sustience, would have broken down long ago and made their writhing corpses unable to walk or function.

I believe there was a brief moment when they alluded to this in yesterday's premiere. When Rick takes off the helmet of the zombie cop, he was pretty much just wasted flesh and a skull. I think the intent was to show that the zombies are deteriorating, even if it is a slow process.

At some point the story would have to become less about zombies, and more about humans fighting over waning resources. The comic does a good job of showing intra-human social conflicts as the plague drags on.

[automaton 3]

Herschel getting so close to the lurker did seem a bit weak.

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What bothered me more was what was the enormous rush to take the rest of the prison? Why not take it more cautious. Open up the doors and wait and see what walkers come out, scout around the building, secure one piece at a time, ect.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

Herschel getting so close to the lurker did seem a bit weak.

Spoiler!

What bothered me more was what was the enormous rush to take the rest of the prison? Why not take it more cautious. Open up the doors and wait and see what walkers come out, scout around the building, secure one piece at a time, ect.

They weren't trying to take the whole prison, they were trying to find their way to the cafeteria. Which is where they ended up.