Freemen on the land are growing exponentially

[CaptainCrunch]

And exceptional dental hygene.

Hey you have pretty nice teeth for a merciless dictator.

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http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org...hp?f=43&t=7673

So now they're trying to figure out how to use a statute, which they've withdrawn consent from, to sue the National Post. Sue someone with the criminal code...

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by photon

No, because vehicle is a legal magic word that if you use it or let it be used in reference to your conveyance then you are implicitly entering into a contract with the Corporation of CANADA (note the upper case) and letting them apply their acts and statutes to you.

And that's why your name is in all UPPER CASE on the ticket, trying to get your consent with a legal entity that isn't you but magically through mystical words making it you, so instead of my name if I say I am a quanta of energy of the electromagnetic family then the laws don't apply to me.

Bat**** insane.

Not trying to poke the bear or jump the shark here. I stumbled upon this upper lower case stuff today. It actually makes sense once it is explained. Apparently this upper case thing is called Capitis Deminutio. I don't have a law dictionary but the meaning is in there.

I did find this but it is not the law dictionary definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitis_deminutio

While it seems some of these people are troubled, hurt, or just mentally unstable, I find that when I look some of it up it does make some sense. Like why there is the upper case spelling as an example. Most if not all of the people posting in this thread are the opposite spectrum from the "free man" people and I can understand why. However, I think it is somewhere in the middle. We do have rights. While these people are extreme I believe everyone in this country has a right to defend it. Looks like some of these extremists are not winning, but that is the choice they are making, and, in this wonderful country we live in, they are free to make it.

At least they don't disturb my supper by ringing on my doorbell trying to teach me their religion or beliefs. lol

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Not trying to poke the bear or jump the shark here. I stumbled upon this upper lower case stuff today. It actually makes sense once it is explained. Apparently this upper case thing is called Capitis Deminutio. I don't have a law dictionary but the meaning is in there.

I did find this but it is not the law dictionary definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitis_deminutio

While it seems some of these people are troubled, hurt, or just mentally unstable, I find that when I look some of it up it does make some sense. Like why there is the upper case spelling as an example. Most if not all of the people posting in this thread are the opposite spectrum from the "free man" people and I can understand why. However, I think it is somewhere in the middle. We do have rights. While these people are extreme I believe everyone in this country has a right to defend it. Looks like some of these extremists are not winning, but that is the choice they are making, and, in this wonderful country we live in, they are free to make it.

At least they don't disturb my supper by ringing on my doorbell trying to teach me their religion or beliefs. lol

Capitis Deminutio is an old Roman law regarding rights of an individual. What bearing does that have on the governing law of Canada?

[CaptainCrunch]

It doesn't

Its easy to pull out a legal argument if you fracture the governing laws, and use only the stuff that you like.

I'm sure that I could still own sex slaves if I pulled out segments of admirality law, international law, and outdated domestic laws.

But it wouldn't stand up to the law of the land.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Capitis Deminutio is an old Roman law regarding rights of an individual. What bearing does that have on the governing law of Canada?

It's adopted in law much like a lot of Roman law. Anyone have a law book to confirm?

I'm not saying these people are right or wrong. IMO that just isn't my place to force opinion on them or else they could have a say or opinion in my life. Which, lets be frank, they do not. I'm just trying to understand where they come from. I don't get the crazy woodsman commune vibe from them, but I am curious about where the ideas are coming from. Aren't you?

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Not trying to poke the bear or jump the shark here. I stumbled upon this upper lower case stuff today. It actually makes sense once it is explained. Apparently this upper case thing is called Capitis Deminutio. I don't have a law dictionary but the meaning is in there.

I did find this but it is not the law dictionary definition.

I'm reading my Black's Law Dictionary, 8th ed., right now and the definition of capitis deminutio has no reference whatsoever to upper case letters. Other dictionaries I consulted don't mention that stuff either.

I don't know where the online nutjobs get this upper case letters stuff from but if you or anyone else can point me to a reputable source that deals with this I would be happy to read it.

EDIT: Wait. Found it. There's an alternate spelling. Capitis Diminutio: the use of CAPITAL LETTERS to avoid paying income tax and other undesirable levies. Cool.

[peter12]

Jeez, there is a huge difference between saying "I, as a Canadian citizen, have a collection of inherent rights" and "I am a Freeman of the Land and I do not contract with you to allow you to give me a ticket for being a total moron."

Here's an example of a citizen's rights in regards to the police. The police cannot ask you for identification without sufficient cause. Random id checks are unconstitutional. Any request for id must be prefaced with a detailed and realistic reason for why they want ID. This also goes for asking for personal information which is not relevant to an officer stopping you for whatever reason.

An example. Once I was walking home from university when I was randomly swarmed by about 6 or 7 cops on bikes and in a cruiser. They stopped me, asked to see my bag and identification. I politely refused, asking instead why they had stopped me. They refused to do so and I still refused to show them my ID. This continued until they told me that there had been a series of break-ins by a "young guy with a back-pack" in the neighbourhood. I asked them if I matched the description of the young man. They said no, so I asked why they needed to know who I was (getting a bit petulant, yes, but I was young, dammit!). Blah, blah, they had no reason to stop me, they let me go without incident.

It's important to know your rights and be confident as a citizen. These Freeman dinks just make a mockery out of the whole social contract.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Not trying to poke the bear or jump the shark here. I stumbled upon this upper lower case stuff today. It actually makes sense once it is explained. Apparently this upper case thing is called Capitis Deminutio. I don't have a law dictionary but the meaning is in there.

I did find this but it is not the law dictionary definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitis_deminutio

While it seems some of these people are troubled, hurt, or just mentally unstable, I find that when I look some of it up it does make some sense. Like why there is the upper case spelling as an example. Most if not all of the people posting in this thread are the opposite spectrum from the "free man" people and I can understand why. However, I think it is somewhere in the middle. We do have rights. While these people are extreme I believe everyone in this country has a right to defend it. Looks like some of these extremists are not winning, but that is the choice they are making, and, in this wonderful country we live in, they are free to make it.

At least they don't disturb my supper by ringing on my doorbell trying to teach me their religion or beliefs. lol

Dude, these people are nuts. The truth isn't somewhere between them and your average CPer. We're smart, they're dumb, end of story.

[photon]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Not trying to poke the bear or jump the shark here. I stumbled upon this upper lower case stuff today. It actually makes sense once it is explained. Apparently this upper case thing is called Capitis Deminutio.

It doesn't make sense. An ancient Roman law doesn't mean anything to us. Even if a term or a concept is adopted into our law, how it's defined and used in our law is what's important, how the Romans used it is irrelevant.

Your name in caps doesn't represent slavery to a corporation, it doesn't represent loss of liberty and submission to someone else.

A human being is a human being, how a human being is treated with respect to the law doesn't change magically by using CAPS LOCK. A natural person is a legal person.

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

While it seems some of these people are troubled, hurt, or just mentally unstable, I find that when I look some of it up it does make some sense.

That it makes the most sense to those that are troubled, hurt, or mentally unstable says something.

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Like why there is the upper case spelling as an example.

The fact that upper case exists means that you are property of CANADA INC. having willingly given up your rights and are now a debt slave? Lol? And by not using upper case all of a sudden statues aren't laws and don't apply? Powerful magic in the shift key.

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Most if not all of the people posting in this thread are the opposite spectrum from the "free man" people and I can understand why.

Why are they at the opposite spectrum?

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

However, I think it is somewhere in the middle. We do have rights. While these people are extreme I believe everyone in this country has a right to defend it. Looks like some of these extremists are not winning, but that is the choice they are making, and, in this wonderful country we live in, they are free to make it.

They're not defending their rights, they're changing the definitions of words and making up a pretend world where there's a secret bank account from the IMF for your birth certificate that you can claim if you know the magic words. They're trying to get out of their obligations by finding the right combination of legal mumbo jumbo.

They have a choice to ignore reality yes, but they aren't accomplishing anything.

There are many other people who are out there fighting for our liberties, doing real work. Don't confuse FMOTLers with those people.

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

At least they don't disturb my supper by ringing on my doorbell trying to teach me their religion or beliefs. lol

Honest direct question, are you a FMOTL or similar?

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by fredr123

I'm reading my Black's Law Dictionary, 8th ed., right now and the definition of capitis deminutio has no reference whatsoever to upper case letters. Other dictionaries I consulted don't mention that stuff either.

I don't know where the online nutjobs get this upper case letters stuff from but if you or anyone else can point me to a reputable source that deals with this I would be happy to read it.

QUOTE=fredr123;2769909

EDIT: Wait. Found it. There's an alternate spelling. Capitis Diminutio: the use of CAPITAL LETTERS to avoid paying income tax and other undesirable levies. Cool.

Okay! I concede! I tried to create some sort of way we could discuss this without being one sided!

EDIT: Wait. Found it. There's an alternate spelling. Capitis Diminutio: the use of CAPITAL LETTERS to avoid paying income tax and other undesirable levies. Cool.[/QUOTE]


Ha nice.

[photon]

The funny thing is Capitis Diminutio Maxima is statutory law, which FMOTLers say don't apply to them.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by photon

It doesn't make sense. An ancient Roman law doesn't mean anything to us. Even if a term or a concept is adopted into our law, how it's defined and used in our law is what's important, how the Romans used it is irrelevant.

Your name in caps doesn't represent slavery to a corporation, it doesn't represent loss of liberty and submission to someone else.

A human being is a human being, how a human being is treated with respect to the law doesn't change magically by using CAPS LOCK. A natural person is a legal person.





That it makes the most sense to those that are troubled, hurt, or mentally unstable says something.



The fact that upper case exists means that you are property of CANADA INC. having willingly given up your rights and are now a debt slave? Lol? And by not using upper case all of a sudden statues aren't laws and don't apply? Powerful magic in the shift key.



Why are they at the opposite spectrum?



They're not defending their rights, they're changing the definitions of words and making up a pretend world where there's a secret bank account from the IMF for your birth certificate that you can claim if you know the magic words. They're trying to get out of their obligations by finding the right combination of legal mumbo jumbo.

They have a choice to ignore reality yes, but they aren't accomplishing anything.

There are many other people who are out there fighting for our liberties, doing real work. Don't confuse FMOTLers with those people.



Honest direct question, are you a FMOTL or similar?

Ha, no. There was just a lot of anger or animosity in this tread. I thought it would be fun to play that guy by reading a few things. It is interesting however. I don't think I'd make a good lawyer...

[pylon]

This thread has been very informative, I sent this email to our payroll dept.

QUIT DEDUCTING MY INCOME TAX BITCHES! IZ ILLEGALS. OH YEAH, I'LL KEEP THE MEDICAL THOUGH.

SINCERELY,
FREEMAN.

Boss called me in for a meeting tomorrow. Bet he wants to know my secret.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Okay! I concede! I tried to create some sort of way we could discuss this without being one sided!

It's one sided because we've yet to see a documented example of where this strategy has held up in any Canadian or American court. I imagine the few times a freeman has had charges dismissed, there have been other problems with the case (i.e., some Charter issue or an evidentiary problem for the prosecutor) and the charges were dropped or dismissed for reasons that had nothing to do with Capitis Deminutio or the Uniform Commercial Code or because you signed your drivers' license with WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITHOUT DISHONOUR.

[icarus]

These guys should all go move to one of those micronations formed by their like-minded humans. I will continue believe my jail and slurp my crap.

[Kjesse]

Today the Court of Queen's Bench released a massive decision on this whole "Freemen on the Land" issue. Justice Rooke coined the term "Organized Psuedolegal Commercial Argument" (OPCA) litigants.

Given the amount of effort put into this, its fair to say that these OPCA litigants have been tying up the court system. This decision is meant to put an end to it.

Its a big read, but some parts are quite interesting. They really broke down the various movements and how they operate. (I say "they" because you can be assured some articling clerks put many, many hours into this):


http://www.albertacourts.ab.ca/jdb%5...bqb0571ed1.pdf

[KeepCalmCarryOn]

Link doesn't work through Tapatalk, Delgar. Can we get a Coles notes?

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Solution: Release more sandworms.

[Five-hole]

I see what you did there.