Tory MPs divided as fetal-rights motion defeated in Commons

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

2 Liberals also voted for the motion.

I read that it was 4 and that another was pro life but decided to vote against the bill.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Quite happy to see this defeated, but quite embarrassed that Alberta's MPs voted how they did.

Is that really surprising though? The surprising thing is that it wasn't unanimous by Alberta MPs.

Nenshi really needs to hit the federal trail and boot these cavemen and cavewomen.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Olao32

Doubt? Yes. Why? Because had the WRP won the Alberta provincial election, the federal private members bill would still be put forth and voted upon. Apples and oranges.

I think you're misinterpretting what I'm saying. Had the Wildrose won, here in Alberta, we'd be debating abortion in this province, not federally. I sincerley doubt the party of the Hunspergers and Leech's of the world wouldn't have brought forth this debate (along with evolution and other things Jesus wouldn't like).

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Nenshi really needs to hit the federal trail and boot these cavemen and cavewomen.

Nenshi has the potential for a great career. I suspect that he'll probably take the same route as McIver and jump into provincial politics first when he feels his civil learning has plateaued.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by kirant

Nenshi has the potential for a great career. I suspect that he'll probably take the same route as McIver and jump into provincial politics first when he feels his civil learning has plateaued.

Although i would like to see him as Premier, he really needs to make the jump early because all these federal guys are pieces of crap.

[mariners_fever]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I think you're misinterpretting what I'm saying. Had the Wildrose won, here in Alberta, we'd be debating abortion in this province, not federally. I sincerley doubt the party of the Hunspergers and Leech's of the world wouldn't have brought forth this debate (along with evolution and other things Jesus wouldn't like).

No, we wouldn't have been. The province has no jurisdiction over the legalization of abortion so it wouldn't have been an issue.

Read the constitution.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nik-

Alberta MP's
19 Yes
8 No

#### ... I'm embarrassed.

Originally Posted by OffsideSpecialist

It looks like Sask was just as bad. 10-3 Yea.

The West wants in...your daughter/wife/sister/aunt/cousin's vagina.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by mariners_fever

No, we wouldn't have been. The province has no jurisdiction over the legalization of abortion so it wouldn't have been an issue.

Read the constitution.

Technically they could've made it an issue in AB, and tried to challenge it on division of powers, but that's kind of shooting for the moon.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by mariners_fever

No, we wouldn't have been. The province has no jurisdiction over the legalization of abortion so it wouldn't have been an issue.

Read the constitution.

This is true, but there are still issues like PEI, where abortions are legal, you just can't get them anywhere on the island.

Yup, it's still 2012 and you can't get an abortion in PEI.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Technically they could've made it an issue in AB, and tried to challenge it on division of powers, but that's kind of shooting for the moon.

Exactly. And the chances of that happening would be pretty slim.

[rubecube]

Pretty disgusting that 30% of our elected representatives still believe in this crap.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by evman150

Shameful that Rona Ambrose voted for it.

Harper is a social conservative; however, he's also a good politician and he knows a socially conservative agenda is not politically expedient.

Why is it shameful? She automatically needs to toe the party line? Especially on something as simple as a study?

[rubecube]

Harper also needs to remove Rona Ambrose ASAP. What a freaking trainwreck.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Why is it shameful? She automatically has to toe the party line? Especially on something as simple as a study?

The Status of Women Minister should not be anti-woman

[Hanni]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I think you're misinterpretting what I'm saying. Had the Wildrose won, here in Alberta, we'd be debating abortion in this province, not federally. I sincerley doubt the party of the Hunspergers and Leech's of the world wouldn't have brought forth this debate (along with evolution and other things Jesus wouldn't like).

I think you're confusing the views of a couple of candidates with party policy.

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Why is it shameful? Especially on something as simple as a study?

She's the Minister for the Status of Women and her voting yea flies in the face of women's rights over their own bodies.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

The Status of Women Minister should not be anti-woman

Right. I guess I missed the previous study where it was concluded that being interested in a new study on the definition of life meant you were anti-woman.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Why is it shameful? She automatically needs to toe the party line? Especially on something as simple as a study?

Well their leader isn't toeing the party line. Why not use some logic instead?

[Ozy_Flame]

Rob Anders voting incorrectly is balanced out by Rob Anders actually voting.

I have poker face.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I would be interested in what way their constituants would vote cause I dont think they would vote that way

I suspect that too. No way in hell do the majority of Albertans support this bill.
Another example where MP's are voting, in a free vote, in accordance with their own conscience instead of representing the will of the constituency.

Unfortunately there isn't much we can do to change this.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Well their leader isn't toeing the party line. Why not use some logic instead?

Yuh, I was admittedly confused there for a moment...

Look, I wouldn't personally vote for the study- I don't have any interest in seeing any definitions changed... my point is that MP's should be able to vote as they please, regardless of their position in the party.