Mass. judge orders taxpayer-funded sex change operation for convicted murderer

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Badger Bob

Funny, nobody even made that point in this thread.

You sure about that?

Originally Posted by Badger Bob

Then its going to come down to the counter-arguments are going to the trouble of peer reviews and getting them published. So, it's difficult to gauge the level of acceptance. On so many illnesses, there's dispute over the treatment, then there's even more about the cause. That leads one to conclude that it's much more complex for psychiatric illnesses. Even something a lot less complex, like ADD, is debated. It's been questioned whether it's an actual psychological condition or just an excuse to pump hyperactive kids full of Ritalin.

Originally Posted by Badger Bob

Bet you could just as easliy find other physicians who'd shake their heads in disbelief. So, in effect, it still comes down to opinion. Then you factor in that a legal precedent was not established until half-way through 2012. Gee, how did Western Civilization advance without gender-confused inmates receiving taxpayer-funded sex change operations until now?

I'm pretty sure that's exactly the argument you're trying to make. You've also managed to throw in a little appeal to tradition to complete the fallacious trilogy. Good work!

When name-calling doesn't register. Just lie and exaggerate.
Nobody even cares if the inmate gets the surgery or not.

Where have I lied or exaggerated? I've mostly just pointed out the flaws in your arguments.

Just don't expect a lot of sympathy from US taxpayers, especially when they have to pay much or sometimes all of their own health insurance premiums. Millions still have to go without. Of course, you never had to pay, yourself, so you wouldn't be able to relate.

Which should be more of an indictment of the American health care system than this judicial decision.

Oh, that's makes sense. You feel that you've got a score to settle, like your LBGT buddy, earlier in this thread. Yeah, it's obsession when frequently discussing other posters. That was kind of the point of not really wanting to "debate" with obnoxious 20 year olds.

Score to settle? No, they're two separate debates and you've managed to articulate your particular brand of bigotry in both of them. I'd hardly call debating issues with you an obsession. I think you might need to get over yourself a little bit.

The reason you don't want to debate with "obnoxious 20 year-olds" is because you clearly don't have the capabilities to debate your side of the agreement logically, and thus are only interested in those opinions which re-inforce your own beliefs.

Quite frankly, I'm thankful that you and your ilk are rapidly becoming dinosaurs. Bigoted relics, relegated to the fringes of society.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Quite frankly, I'm thankful that you and your ilk are rapidly becoming dinosaurs. Bigoted relics, relegated to the fringes of society.

This. Thankfully, this line of thinking will die out with the people who still think this way.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by flameswin

This. Thankfully, this line of thinking will die out with the people who still think this way.

There will be people who think this way for a long long time, since people teach their kids it right now.

It will get better though, at a higher and higher rate.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Rathji

There will be people who think this way for a long long time, since people teach their kids it right now.

It will get better though, at a higher and higher rate.

Do you guys even realize what you are doing and posting? Unless I missed something, Badger simply does not think the treatment should be covered since so many other things are not covered, in particular for someone in jail for murder. According to other people as well, the procedures are not an essential service. We don't have dental care in Alberta, but I think the procedure is available here as well. The government does not pay for my medication either, even though we have universal healthcare. If someone cannot afford healthy food, that is not covered. Of all the things not covered, it is actually odd to many of us that some specific items are covered.

This certainly is debatable matter, let's leave the name calling out. It makes you look dumb.

I don't recall anyone in the thread condemning transsexual people and if they did I am pretty sure there is no tolerance for that. Disagreeing on how surgery is paid for does not make someone a bigot. In fact, the judge ruled over the state which had earlier said the surgery should not be covered, so is everyone else a bigot?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I don't recall anyone in the thread condemning transsexual people and if they did I am pretty sure there is no tolerance for that. Disagreeing on how surgery is paid for does not make someone a bigot. In fact, the judge ruled over the state which had earlier said the surgery should not be covered, so is everyone else a bigot?

We're not calling Badger Bob a bigot based solely on this thread. The hilarious thing is that most people probably think I'm a bleeding heart socialist because of how I view this. I'm not. I think prisoners get way too much handed to them. As far as I'm concerned, if you are a violent offended, you should be stripped of your rights as a citizen, and that should include things like health care. Can't pay for it? Tough ####. Maybe you shouldn't have been an ####### and gotten yourself locked up so you can't work.

However, that's just not practical. If the law is stating they are entitled to medical treatment for illness, injury, etc., then I think this would fall under that description. This isn't cosmetic like rhinoplasty, as you suggested earlier. It's a much deeper issue.

If you want to tackle it from another angle, you have to at least acknowledge that mentally unstable prisoners pose a risk to other inmates, as well as prison staff.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Do you guys even realize what you are doing and posting? Unless I missed something, Badger simply does not think the treatment should be covered since so many other things are not covered, in particular for someone in jail for murder. According to other people as well, the procedures are not an essential service. We don't have dental care in Alberta, but I think the procedure is available here as well. The government does not pay for my medication either, even though we have universal healthcare. If someone cannot afford healthy food, that is not covered. Of all the things not covered, it is actually odd to many of us that some specific items are covered.

This certainly is debatable matter, let's leave the name calling out. It makes you look dumb.

I don't recall anyone in the thread condemning transsexual people and if they did I am pretty sure there is no tolerance for that. Disagreeing on how surgery is paid for does not make someone a bigot. In fact, the judge ruled over the state which had earlier said the surgery should not be covered, so is everyone else a bigot?

My post was commenting on another posters thoughts about the future and really had no specific target in this thread, since what people teach their kids really isn't related to the discussion at hand. It also had nothing to do with the funding issues, the medical necessity or availability of such procedures, or insulting people who objected to the procedure.

If you thought otherwise, and that is why you responded as you did to me, then I apologize, but I promise that you missed the entire point of my post.