How is he family? Because we set him up in that 'crime riddled' neighbourhood because felt bad because we ignored him and let him others commit terrible atrocious upon him?
Their culture and government are along our western ideals and yeah they are a product of ours. I'm not saying they follow these ideals well but compared to other states in the region, they mostly do better and are our ally.
Well they are being called things all the time. I would leave the term "terrorist" for those who try to move a government to change by killing their citizens with the motivation of spreading fear.
You would. But if you lived in the Palestinian territoires you might not have that luxury.
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Their culture and government are along our western ideals and yeah they are a product of ours. I'm not saying they follow these ideals well but compared to other states in the region, they mostly do better and are our ally.
Western ideals often get put on a pedestal. They're really not. They're flawed in themselves. It shouldn't give any state Carte Blanche to do whatever they want in the name of liberal democracy.
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Thats why Flames fans make ideal Star Trek fans. We've really been taught to embrace the self-loathing and extreme criticism.
Another example... http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/28...-on-bath-salts
That rumor was started by some out of context statement made by the arresting officer that some reporter jumped on. Sorry cant find the link now...
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You would. But if you lived in the Palestinian territoires you might not have that luxury.
Western ideals often get put on a pedestal. They're really not. They're flawed in themselves. It shouldn't give any state Carte Blanche to do whatever they want in the name of liberal democracy.
Sure you can make a good arguement that western ideals aren't the end all and be all, I'm saying that they are part of our western family and so are an ally. An ally I'm not that fond of but when push comes to shove, that's how it goes.
What Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was actually quoted as saying: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." which if translated correctly means "Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Yet the Western media takes this way out of context and translates it as "Israel should be wiped off the map". Theres a big difference. Is Iran perfect? not by any means, but it just goes to show you how the media can manipulate the minds of the masses.
What Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was actually quoted as saying: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." which if translated correctly means "Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Yet the Western media takes this way out of context and translates it as "Israel should be wiped off the map". Theres a big difference. Is Iran perfect? not by any means, but it just goes to show you how the media can manipulate the minds of the masses.
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Calling for a change in ideology versus Genocide...
Where? He is wanting the "ideology" wiped off a map?
That makes no sense....because its nonsense, as he has stated its a national duty as well as a religious one, to make zionism disppear. This guy claims the holocaust was a lie as well.
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"The pretext (Holocaust) for the creation of the Zionist regime (Israel) is false ... It is a lie based on an unprovable and mythical claim," he told worshippers at Tehran University at the end of an annual anti-Israel "Qods (Jerusalem) Day" rally.
"Confronting the Zionist regime is a national and religious duty."
He wants every jew in the world eradicated, it is without doubt.
I don't like these type of silly acts. No sympathies for Iran but you should still have an embassy and platforms to negotiate whatever is it you want to negotiate. Just shunning the nations you don't like is irresponsible and careless. Yes, Iran certainly is a nation that doesn't deserve any friends at the moment, but still a knee-jerk reaction from Canada.
Its as if we tried to show that we're a powerful player in this whole situation - well we are not, USA is. We don't prove anything by this action.
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I was countering your last paragraph that suggested Israel loves and respects all races and religions, I wasn't talking about human rights abuses.
Well you clearly posted as a reference to human rights, but that can slide.
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And yes, people from all over want to go to Israel because its supposedly safer than where they are coming from, but Israel's government decides that its better to detain and deport those people.
No, Israel decided to detain and deport in assorted circumstances, after receiving people at it's borders for years. No other western nation handles this any different, yet you choose to isolate Israel for this. Israel's neighbors though kill these people on site.
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Sure it's their right to make whatever laws they want, but I would say it's sad, considering their own history, that they would not offer refuge to those that fled perilous situations and are now without a home.
Why is it sad for Israel? Because of their history they should take on any citizen that arrives near it's borders? They certainly offer refuge, as you just stated they detain then release these people. Detain includes checkups, food, etc. and if they can, some form of immigration status. They don't just leave them at the border...
Thanks for proving you hold Israel to a different standard as other countries.
Where? He is wanting the "ideology" wiped off a map?
That makes no sense....because its nonsense, as he has stated its a national duty as well as a religious one, to make zionism disppear. This guy claims the holocaust was a lie as well.
He wants every jew in the world eradicated, it is without doubt.
Yeah, I love giant concrete security walls. Reminds of the golden age in Berlin. Oh and I love governments that raid ships in neutral waters without proper cause. Oh and their invasive settlements in the West Bank are super awesome.
But I'm sure you'll just tell me that all these things are justified because all the nations around them hate them.
So far all I have read from your posts is you are anti Israel and will twist anything around to make them appear bad and terrorists appear good. If you have not noticed, Iran has been labeled a terrorist state. Israel has built giant security walls to prevent missiles from killing people. And Israel did raid a ship, and was justified for it. But you seem to enjoy the terrorists, now don't you?
The settlements certainly suck, but from the Israeli perspective, if there is no other person to negotiate with, then Israel will continue developing their country.
The West Bank was captured by Israel from Jordan during the six day war, so why isn't Jordan disputing this? They have a peace treaty, a peace treaty signed while Israel still claimed the West Bank. Jordan basically left that area to Israel. Had the people living in the West Bank simply enjoyed the freedom and prosperity associated with living within Israel, they would be much better off and at the same time disliked by the rest of the arab world. Iran and other regimes wouldn't put up with that, so terrorism stepped in.
You see, Israel is not perfect, they are doing the best they can in a very problematic region, but according to you they are the devil in the region.
Where? He is wanting the "ideology" wiped off a map?
That makes no sense....because its nonsense, as he has stated its a national duty as well as a religious one, to make zionism disppear. This guy claims the holocaust was a lie as well.
He wants every jew in the world eradicated, it is without doubt.
When I'm talking about ideology I mean the ideology of the Israeli regime. Surely you can figure this out.
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One could argue that Israel is in itself a terrorist state. I don't know if I would make that agreement. But others have alluded to that point before.
So now you are saying Israel is a terrorist state. Who are they terrorizing? Are there any acts of defense reasonable against an army that hides amongst innocent civilians? Virtually all of Israeli military operations are done to minimize civilian casualties, but of course you will now argue that.
Also, I would like to point out that Canada getting a pat on the back from Ben Nutso-yahoo cant be a good thing. Wouldnt that just piss off the Iranians even more? It was an irresponsible knee-jerk reaction from the Canadian government. Why provoke them?
It Doesn't leave Canadian prisoners with a feeling of confidence either. The government just said "To hell with ya, you're on your own." The whole situation reminds me of this:
