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[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Is the Auto-9 in the Robocop movie a real gun?

In its basic form (Beretta 93r, a pistol based on the 92), Yes. Was it ever sold or produced as it appears in the movie? No. Can you buy one in Canada? No, as it was a select fire automatic pistol made by Beretta, and all fully automatic firearms are prohibited in canada (unless specifically licensed, yes there are a few lucky buggers out there). Go buy a Beretta 92fs, get handy with your craft skills, and go play robocop at the range

Edit: I did have to google this one....I'm sure you all did too....

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by kirant

I probably didn't specify enough, but I meant from the designer's point of view. If in the prototyping stage, there were concerns with the design because of the moment, what steps would generally be taken to reduce it?

Thats a good question that as not being a designer I couldn't really answer definitively. I would say function comes first, and if a reduced recoil design was in play, it would be implemented in either stock design (recoil reducing style with a shock built in), recoil damping stock butt pad, or on very high end rifles, recoil reducing damped barrels (look up the AA12 shotgun as a good example of this in action). You can obviously manipulate the barrel height (reason would state that a higher barrel height, less in line with the stock, would be harder to handle), and lower barrels push more "into" you than "over" you. I personally can tell this when shooting pistols, and prefer very "in your hand" styles such as CZ's

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by saskflames69

Are you Charlton Heston?

Back from the dead. Excuse my zombie breath

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Aleks

In its basic form (Beretta 93r, a pistol based on the 92), Yes. Was it ever sold or produced as it appears in the movie? No. Can you buy one in Canada? No, as it was a select fire automatic pistol made by Beretta, and all fully automatic firearms are prohibited in canada (unless specifically licensed, yes there are a few lucky buggers out there). Go buy a Beretta 92fs, get handy with your craft skills, and go play robocop at the range

Edit: I did have to google this one....I'm sure you all did too....

I always thought it was just special effects, but Peter Weller gave an interview and something he Saud suggested that it was a real gun, with just some cosmetic work done to it to make it look cooler in the movie.

This is one thing I would love to see Sons of Guns do a project on. Just something so neat about how that fires. Would the Beretta 93R actually fire in similar bursts like that?

[Calgaryborn]

What is the recoil of a 270 compared to a 30 06 or a 308. I have a 13 year old wants a 300 mag like mine but, I want something a little lighter to carry with less recoil. He is pretty stocky for his age and can fire off 20 rounds or so of my 300 with a rest without complaint.

We hunt white tail, muley and elk around here. Moose is limited entry.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I always thought it was just special effects, but Peter Weller gave an interview and something he Saud suggested that it was a real gun, with just some cosmetic work done to it to make it look cooler in the movie.

This is one thing I would love to see Sons of Guns do a project on. Just something so neat about how that fires. Would the Beretta 93R actually fire in similar bursts like that?

Yup, thats exactly what I meant ("can you buy it as it appears"), it is a real firearm only cosmetically modified to fit the movie theme.

And yes it will, the 93r is a select fire automatic pistol (3 round burst or single fire selectable switch), with a very high rate of fire.

[Regulator75]

Why do gang members point their glock sideways?

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

What is the recoil of a 270 compared to a 30 06 or a 308. I have a 13 year old wants a 300 mag like mine but, I want something a little lighter to carry with less recoil. He is pretty stocky for his age and can fire off 20 rounds or so of my 300 with a rest without complaint.

We hunt white tail, muley and elk around here. Moose is limited entry.

A decent resource for actual recoil figures is posted here:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

That being said, recoil is always subjective to the user, the actual rifle model, and the variables of the cartridge being used (specific reload data and bullet weight). I think the 270 is, ballistics speaking, a nice round. Its a relatively modern development, high muzzle velocity, and proven to have a better trajectory than the larger rounds you mentioned (obviously, the lighter the bullet itself, the higher the velocity, the less fall off at all distances, thats just simple physics). But, it is a hot round so the perceived recoil will be quite "snappy" if that makes sense, and for a kid may not be very comfortable to shoot, especially with the fact you specify you want a lighter rifle (tikka t3 comes to mind...)

If your boy can handle the recoil on your .300, he may be quite ok with the 270 as long as he isn't shooting all day. If he wants less recoil with the same stopping power go with 30-06, if you want cheaper shooting go with the .308. If you want a suggestion on another round that will still fit the AB regulations for big game (nothing smaller than .223), you can consider a 25-06 which is a decent all purpose round that is a milder shooter. I wouldn't take a moose with anything smaller than in the .3xx ranges though

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

Why do gang members point their glock sideways?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GangstaStyle

Effectively "because it looks cool"

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

Why do gang members point their glock sideways?

Its not only gang members. There was a reality show once that followed police officers with cameras mounted in a first person perspective, and a few of the officers pointed their firearms sideways aswell....Kinda embarrassing...

As for why, I'm not sure...I'm not a gang member....Maybe you should ask this in the "I'm a gang member, ask me anything" thread?

EDIT: a few seconds to late for the above reply....Well played

[Rerun]

Can I dig up my buried, unregistered rifles now? Or am I still considered to be a criminal in the eyes of the law?

I don't have a PAL either. I used to have a FAC. If I get a PAL do I have to tell them I already own guns?

Will the government throw me in prison if I don't get a PAL and they find out I am a gun owner?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Can I dig up my buried, unregistered rifles now? Or am I still considered to be a criminal in the eyes of the law?

I don't have a PAL either. I used to have a FAC. If I get a PAL do I have to tell them I already own guns?

Will the government throw me in prison if I don't get a PAL and they find out I am a gun owner?

I think if the police found out you had guns without a PAL or POL they would take them away. I don't know if you would be charged with anything. If you get your PAL you will be legal without having to declare what rifles you have and/or how you got them.

Handguns and automatics are a different story.

[Senator Clay Davis]

What's the best gun for killing as many people as possible in as short a time frame as possible? I'm not asking for myself, umm, I'm asking for a friend....yes, that will work well.

[HELPNEEDED]

If i were to get a PAL license, is there any where I can go shoot in the open, like not animals but maybe random targets and trees or something?

[Hevishot]

This thread belongs on CGN or AO Forum

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

What's the best gun for killing as many people as possible in as short a time frame as possible? I'm not asking for myself, umm, I'm asking for a friend....yes, that will work well.

How fast can you pull the trigger?

You will want an accurate semi-auto that has very little re-coil so you can stay on target after pulling the trigger.. I would recommend going with an assault rifle design in a small caliber.

Also get a firearm with a magazine that has a large capacity and is easily ejected and replaced with a fresh one. Its even better if you can tape two mags together.

I would recommend the Colt AR-15 in the .223 caliber.

Hope this answers all your "friend's" questions.



P.S. The AR-15 has an excellent track record when it comes to mass murder. It's military cousin, the full auto M-16 has been used quite effectively in multiple armed conflicts, starting with the Vietnam War.

The gunman who shot 12 people dead at a Colorado movie theatre was armed with an AR-15.

In 1995, gunman Martin Bryant went on a rampage and killed 35 in Port Arthur, Tasmania, many with his AR-15.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

What's the best gun for killing as many people as possible in as short a time frame as possible? I'm not asking for myself, umm, I'm asking for a friend....yes, that will work well.

Really this is what you think is productive?

He has put himself out there for a discussion thread and you believe you contribute something useful by this post.

I love shooting, going to the range was the favourite part of being in the army, handguns, rifles, GPMG, .50 cal, anti-tank rockets, hell I shot them all and loved it. However, I support gun control, mainly due to the few guns owners that are not responsible (unfortunately, those exist). I would love to be able to shoot again on a regular basis, however, that would mean a slackening of gun laws, which I don't want.

Aleks, has had the balls to open this thread to have a dialogue about firearms, good for him. If you don't like firearms, then either don't come into the thread.

[Senator Clay Davis]

See at least Rerun can have a little fun with this. But seriously, do we need threads for "Experts" on everything? If so lets go ahead with the "Coitus Expert" thread, the "Beer and Jack Expert" thread. Judging from the fact that 9 of the first 10 posts were meant as jokes or to be humourous shows I'm not the only one, nor will I be the only one, not taking this thread very seriously.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

See at least Rerun can have a little fun with this. But seriously, do we need threads for "Experts" on everything? If so lets go ahead with the "Coitus Expert" thread, the "Beer and Jack Expert" thread. Judging from the fact that 9 of the first 10 posts were meant as jokes or to be humourous shows I'm not the only one, nor will I be the only one, not taking this thread very seriously.

He said enthusiast not expert there is a differnce. I think he has balls to do it, know he will get a number of people taking runs at him. There are posters on here that are interested in such things.

So you justification was that if others do it, it must be ok?

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Can I dig up my buried, unregistered rifles now? Or am I still considered to be a criminal in the eyes of the law?

I don't have a PAL either. I used to have a FAC. If I get a PAL do I have to tell them I already own guns?

Will the government throw me in prison if I don't get a PAL and they find out I am a gun owner?

If you have any desire to actually try them out, go get your PAL. It's a fun course really. I had the same problem a little over a year ago. My parents had a rifle in their basement that they wanted to get rid of during an amnesty but I wanted to hold on to it. Got my licence, called the RCMP to register it (again, Harper had an amnesty on at the same time saying anyone with unregistered rifles could register them with no fear of prosecution) and they never asked why it hadn't been registered.

Not an issue now anyways with the long gun registry going away. Only thing you need to be compliant is your licence and a trigger lock.