Big Brother 2012! (warning: spoilers)

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

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No way, so the show never happened yet???? lol. Jenn/Danielle have got pretty close. Frank/Dan/Danielle all want it to happen so Jenn will do it like she said in my opinion.

And to be honest, I hope what you say happens, happens. I want both Dan and Britney to stay so I hope Danielle goes home! Best case scenario for me! Jenn and Dan vote Britney out for sure though. Shane/Danielle have a final two deal so I think he is the 3rd vote to send Britney home. It's a great move if Jenn uses the veto no matter what. Dan saves himself when he has ZERO business being saved.

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I guess that's the point actually true, I thought you meant his move of saving him and Danielle. He has probably saved himself here which was a great move.

I just don't see any way Danielle stays, B/S/I/J will clearly see something is going on if Jenn takes Dan down and realize they need to keep Britney as Dan/Jenn/Frank is some new alliance

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

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No way, so the show never happened yet???? lol. Jenn/Danielle have got pretty close. Frank/Dan/Danielle all want it to happen so Jenn will do it like she said in my opinion.

And to be honest, I hope what you say happens, happens. I want both Dan and Britney to stay so I hope Danielle goes home! Best case scenario for me! Jenn and Dan vote Britney out for sure though. Shane/Danielle have a final two deal so I think he is the 3rd vote to send Britney home. It's a great move if Jenn uses the veto no matter what. Dan saves himself when he has ZERO business being saved.

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Couldn't Ian then use his veto to take Britney off?

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

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I guess that's the point actually true, I thought you meant his move of saving him and Danielle. He has probably saved himself here which was a great move.

I just don't see any way Danielle stays, B/S/I/J will clearly see something is going on if Jenn takes Dan down and realize they need to keep Britney as Dan/Jenn/Frank is some new alliance

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Dan/Frank are going to talk to Joe and tell him they are taking him far if he votes with them otherwise he is their target (they talked and plan on cutting him right before final 4). Dan/Frank/Danielle are all planning on telling Shane to keep Danielle over Britney and they can work together. Frank/Dan both want a final 3 with Shane. It's insane how Dan/Frank are now working together. Who knows what will happen. If Jenn is being true about using it (and I think she is because she wants Britney out over Danielle), then the week after will be so interesting.

And Sidney Crosby's Hat...... Ian has to use his veto first before Jenn, not after.

[Parallex]

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Blah, this is how folk like Adam (AKA Joe) get further in the game then is their due. We're going to lose two interesting personalities in Brit and Ian while snorefests like Joe and Jenn slink into final 5. Please please please let Danielle go home this week. Fraking Joe is the swing vote... always Joe. Okey you're a floater like Joe what's the best play?

[OILFAN #81]

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After telling Danielle that she will use it on Dan, Jenn has told both Dan and Frank that she will use the veto to save Dan. The plan is in motion. Dan is an effing wizard. He just looked into the camera and said "This might be my finest hour ever".

[3 Justin 3]

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Votes wise, if Brit goes up then Shane, Ian and I assume Joe have her back. So that leaves Danielle to be voted out. Dan and Jenn will vote Brit so it will end up 3-2. Obviously that assumes Joe votes to kick out Dani, for the sake of him being saved countless times by Shane/Brit I would assume he is with them anyway.

I'm not sure what to think of Frank working with Dan. On one hand he wants to get him out for a good reason, he is good at the game, but on the other hand Frank has no one to work with so working with Dan could really push his game further. With that said though I think Dan would stab in the back the instant he could.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

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Votes wise, if Brit goes up then Shane, Ian and I assume Joe have her back. So that leaves Danielle to be voted out. Dan and Jenn will vote Brit so it will end up 3-2. Obviously that assumes Joe votes to kick out Dani, for the sake of him being saved countless times by Shane/Brit I would assume he is with them anyway.

I'm not sure what to think of Frank working with Dan. On one hand he wants to get him out for a good reason, he is good at the game, but on the other hand Frank has no one to work with so working with Dan could really push his game further. With that said though I think Dan would stab in the back the instant he could.

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I agree with you on Joe and Ian at the moment. I think Shane is the swing vote. Danielle/Shane made a final two deal earlier in the game and she is talking to him right now saying she is with him. Shane is also close to Britney. It's going to depend on what he does IMO.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

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I agree with you on Joe and Ian at the moment. I think Shane is the swing vote. Danielle/Shane made a final two deal earlier in the game and she is talking to him right now saying she is with him. Shane is also close to Britney. It's going to depend on what he does IMO.

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Britney has controlled Shane the entire game

I do think he is the swing vote but at this point it's like 90/10 for Britney, she will be able to point out that he wasn't in on the decision to do this, that with Dan being saved their is clearly an alliance there etc.

[Machiavelli]

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So has Dan actually been saved yet? Has he explained his outburst to crazy Dani?

[BlackRedGold25]

This thread is stupid with every post having spoilers tags despite the spoiler warning in the title.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

This thread is stupid with every post having spoilers tags despite the spoiler warning in the title.

Why? What's so difficult about having to read the spoiler tags?

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

This thread is stupid with every post having spoilers tags despite the spoiler warning in the title.

I blame same sex marriage.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

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So has Dan actually been saved yet? Has he explained his outburst to crazy Dani?

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not yet, veto meeting is today

Dan said this morning he thinks it's 50/50 that Jenn uses it, she had originally wanted to keep the girls safe and has been saying that for a few weeks

I think she uses it but who knows, probably depends on who she talks to last

his explanation was that he wants the house to think he doesn't care about her and that he had given up, this rouse will last all of 5 minutes after the veto ceremony

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by BlackRedGold25

This thread is stupid with every post having spoilers tags despite the spoiler warning in the title.

Well I don't have the live feeds, nor do 90% of the users here. If the show has aired, talk about that. But if the live feeds show something that hasn't aired, it should be in tags IMO.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

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I agree with you on Joe and Ian at the moment. I think Shane is the swing vote. Danielle/Shane made a final two deal earlier in the game and she is talking to him right now saying she is with him. Shane is also close to Britney. It's going to depend on what he does IMO.

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This could be the way this goes down. Through Dan's brilliance at BB. Jen will use the veto on him.
Ian won't use his veto as he will be convinced, along with the rest of the house Dan is going home 5-0.

Brit will go up in this attempted back door plan.

Votes will go Dan, Jen against Brit.

Ian, will vote to save Brit, Joe will vote to save Brit or he might see the opportunity to vote against her since he would be getting rid of a much more stronger player in his mind. Its very possible.
The only way they can get Joe's vote is that Danielle has to be the one to convince him that Dans outburst was all a ruse.

Shane is a huge gamble in this whole plan. I think given the choice he will save Brit because Danielle really isn't a help to him outside of a vote in the final. I think Shane believes that he has both Brit and Danielle vote in a final situation but Brit can help him get there more.
If Dan pulls this off it will be the biggest chess move i think i have ever seen of any season, truly bizarre. I guess thats what happens in solitary with club music pounding 24hrs depriving his sleep. Crazy gameplans.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

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not yet, veto meeting is today

Dan said this morning he thinks it's 50/50 that Jenn uses it, she had originally wanted to keep the girls safe and has been saying that for a few weeks

I think she uses it but who knows, probably depends on who she talks to last

his explanation was that he wants the house to think he doesn't care about her and that he had given up, this rouse will last all of 5 minutes after the veto ceremony

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Do they have the votes secured yet? I mean I applaud Dan's hail mary pass here, I'd have done the same in his circumstances (scummy as it is) but unless something happened after I hit the sack last night they don't have the votes yet. They need Shane or Joe truthfully on board before Veto because Brit (and Ian) are smart enough to figure out in really short order what's going on when Jenn uses it on Dan). Honestly I think if I were Danielle I'd tell Jenn to not use the veto (or more realistically use it on her not Dan) If they can't get the votes then Dan's plan seriously screws Danielle since she goes home, and if they can get the votes then what difference does it make whether it's her or Dan on the block? since if they can get the votes then Brit goes home regardless. Danielle isn't thinking this through.

I just really don't want Frank to win this thing... he's such a hypocritical entitled ass.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Parallex

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Do they have the votes secured yet? I mean I applaud Dan's hail mary pass here, I'd have done the same in his circumstances (scummy as it is) but unless something happened after I hit the sack last night they don't have the votes yet. They need Shane or Joe truthfully on board before Veto because Brit (and Ian) are smart enough to figure out in really short order what's going on when Jenn uses it on Dan). Honestly I think if I were Danielle I'd tell Jenn to not use the veto (or more realistically use it on her not Dan) If they can't get the votes then Dan's plan seriously screws Danielle since she goes home, and if they can get the votes then what difference does it make whether it's her or Dan on the block? since if they can get the votes then Brit goes home regardless. Danielle isn't thinking this through.

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I disagree it does matter who Jen uses the veto on. Dan vs Brit. Dan goes home for sure. I get what your saying about Danielle though. She could tell Jen. This is crazy the house will come after you and Danielle could wimp out on this plan and say use the veto on me.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

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I disagree it does matter who Jen uses the veto on. Dan vs Brit. Dan goes home for sure. I get what your saying about Danielle though. She could tell Jen. This is crazy the house will come after you and Danielle could wimp out on this plan and say use the veto on me.

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How so? If they can get the votes to vote out Brit over Dani why wouldn't they be able to get the votes to vote out Brit over Dan? Seriously, Dan is screwing (metaphorically speaking) Danielle over really hard here because he's taking her from a 99% probability of staying to a 50% probability of same. If she get's Jenn to Veto her then she stays 100%, they push the same pressure points they would if Danielle were to stay on the block, and she has way more coverage in the even it all goes wrong.

The more I think about it the more I think that Dan knows that there is a good chance Brit stays even if veto is used.

Side Comment: If Jenn wanted to keep the all the girls around she could pull it off... pull Ian & Brit aside and tell them the plan, get him to use veto on Danielle, get Jenn to veto Britney, Shane/Joe goes up, Dan/Joe goes home

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Parallex

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How so? If they can get the votes to vote out Brit over Dani why wouldn't they be able to get the votes to vote out Brit over Dan? Seriously, Dan is screwing (metaphorically speaking) Danielle over really hard here because he's taking her from a 99% probability of staying to a 50% probability of same. If she get's Jenn to Veto her then she stays 100%, they push the same pressure points they would if Danielle were to stay on the block, and she has way more coverage in the even it all goes wrong.

The more I think about it the more I think that Dan knows that there is a good chance Brit stays even if veto is used.

Side Comment: If Jenn wanted to keep the all the girls around she could pull it off... pull Ian & Brit aside and tell them the plan, get him to use veto on Danielle, get Jenn to veto Britney, Shane/Joe goes up, Dan/Joe goes home

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JMO this Dan blowup wasn't the ruse. I think he meant what he said but then realized wtf have i done. I have to twist my way out of it. I think the real ruse is Dan saying that the blow up was just an act and then laying oout his current plan in motion.
He comes up with this bizarre attempt to save his neck.
If Danielle goes along with this she is a fool. She is looking at final 3 or 4 right now without this crazy plan. Brit, Shane, Danielle, Ian.

She does this she becomes a equall target along with Frank, Dan, Jen if Shane, Ian win HOH. Also if Brit stays she will be furious at Danielle most.
I hope Danielle does go along blindly with Dan's plan just to make the game really interesting. Its pretty clear Dan is doing anything to stay out of the hangmans noose here. I can't fault Frank for teaming up with Dan he needs somebody to work with him. Jen will but not alone only if he has some numbers

[d_phaneuf]

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ya great move by Dan, but he doesn't realize how much he is potentially screwing Danielle. Or he does and he just doesn't care.

It's a great move for Dan because he stays, but Danielle/Frank/Jenn are now in an alliance where Frank can't play for 2 HoH's, Dan throws HoH's, so even if Britney goes it's Danielle and Jenn vs Shane/Ian/Joe

makes less sense for Jenn because she was going to float her way to the f5 at least, now if Britney stays it's her vs Britney/Shane/Ian/Joe for HOH next week, and when Frank inevitably wins Veto she is on the block

I think if Dan really was caring about further than this week he would have talked frank in to putting up Shane or somehow Joe if he could