You clearly didn't see their friendly against Hannover then, did you?
I didn't see the game, but did see highlights with a sub-par save leading to a tap in against. Was there more to it?
If Lindegaard's error is enough to have him substituted for de Gea in a friendly, then numerous errors by de Gea in an EPL match, should garner the same.
I'm an apologist for neither, but when our backline is decimated and we have Carrick back there in lieu, the keeper should be solidifying things back there. He didn't today.
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Reason: highlight reference.
Happy to see Swansea start the season 2-0 with a commanding win over West Ham 3-0.
New Manager Michael Laudrup has to be estatic his players have started with 8GA & 0GA.
So far proving alot of analyists very wrong.
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Definitely a month or so for Rooney. That was ugly to see. Need it to fully heal which, with a cut that deep, is not going to be very quick. Not sure if he can do any cardio (doubt it) as you don't want the stitches to tear.
Definitely a month or so for Rooney. That was ugly to see. Need it to fully heal which, with a cut that deep, is not going to be very quick. Not sure if he can do any cardio (doubt it) as you don't want the stitches to tear.
I didn't see the game, but did see highlights with a sub-par save leading to a tap in against. Was there more to it?
If Lindegaard's error is enough to have him substituted for de Gea in a friendly, then numerous errors by de Gea in an EPL match, should garner the same.
that's not a sub-par save, that's horrible goalkeeping. Not Massimo Taibi-horrible, but still pretty bad. Lindegaard reminds me a lot of Tomasz Kuzszcak ... a solid back-up that won't make many errors, but who also won't produce an outstanding save when needed. De Gea needs to improve is air defense, but he is fantastic in all the other areas. People also seem to forget that the kid is still only 21. He'll turn into a fantastic goalkeeper if given time and confidence. Lindegaard shouldn't be more than the backup.
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I'm an apologist for neither, but when our backline is decimated and we have Carrick back there in lieu, the keeper should be solidifying things back there. He didn't today.
De Gea still made some fine saves yesterday, and if not for him, Fulham could have easily got away with a point. I agree that the second Fulham goal was his fault, but aside from that, he was more than solid. And let's be fair here, the pairing of Carrick/Vidic wasn't particularly great yesterday. Vidic isn't up to his standards yet after his injury, and Carrick is not more than a fill-in at best.
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Definitely a month or so for Rooney. That was ugly to see. Need it to fully heal which, with a cut that deep, is not going to be very quick. Not sure if he can do any cardio (doubt it) as you don't want the stitches to tear.
yeah, I even think a month is probably too optimistic ... I don't expect him to be back until October or so. I agree with Diane here, Rooney hasn't been at his best against Everton and yesterday - he looked tired and not up to his usual best. But he has never been known to be superb right from the get-go, he usually needs a few games to get going. It's a pity that he's injured right now because he needs to develop chemistry with van Persie and Kagawa ... but at least Fergie won't have any headaches in regards to the line-up for some time. Van Persie as the lone striker with Kagawa just behind him and Valencia and Young on the wings should be the way to go now.
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that's not a sub-par save, that's horrible goalkeeping. Not Massimo Taibi-horrible, but still pretty bad. Lindegaard reminds me a lot of Tomasz Kuzszcak ... a solid back-up that won't make many errors, but who also won't produce an outstanding save when needed. De Gea needs to improve is air defense, but he is fantastic in all the other areas.
I agree that Lindegaard is not the #1. That save is simply skill, or lack there-of. Not quite routine, as it had a late bounce, but if he can't smother he needs to parry it to safety.
I'm asking for some accountability for de Gea's apprehensiveness in both the air and in assisting his CB's - calling off his CB's and taking the ball near the edges of his box. It's more than just his air game, he is too timid.
He reminds of Ricardo in that on his goal line, he's one of the best in the world, but as soon as he voyages, he gets exposed more than he should. The late minute free kick, save off Mata in Feb is such an example. Brilliant save.
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]I agree that the second Fulham goal was his fault, but aside from that, he was more than solid.
After that mistake he's behind the 8-ball. A goal that he has no chance on in I.T, and he is still the goat, and rightfully so.
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]And let's be fair here, the pairing of Carrick/Vidic wasn't particularly great yesterday. Vidic isn't up to his standards yet after his injury, and Carrick is not more than a fill-in at best..
Totally agree. He has to step-up his assertiveness in lieu of those two. Specifically, those two balls - one by Carrick the other Vidic, where de Gea should be running in, scooping the ball, retaining possession and assisting his CB's. He instead sat back and it resulted in two late minute corners. That is all in his head.
It's actually quite sad to see how low has Arsenal fallen. And I'm a United fan. I always thought up untill 2 years ago, they played the most beautiful football (behind Barcelona). Today was just awful to watch. At this pace, they'll become an average-to-good Premier leage club, ie. Everton, Aston Villa, Tottneham... and not a top 4 team. It is unacceptable to sell stars such as VanP, Fabregas and Nasri and replace them with guys like Arteta, Giroud and Podolski. Nothing against those guys, but I find that they're more complimentary players rather the go-to, key guys. IMO, they need to go after young stars such as Goetze (sp?), Eriksen (from Ajax), Hummels, Subotic, Martinez, Jovetic....young, but still proven, fantastic players with amazing potential.
On the other hand, may Liverpool continue their utter failure. (no offense to their fans )
Hearing some rumours that apparantly Rooney is up for sale... I personally don't believe it, but you never know.
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yeah, I even think a month is probably too optimistic ...
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Wayne Rooney is facing up to two months on the sidelines at Manchester United after undergoing surgery to repair a six-inch wound which cut as deep as his thigh bone. Rooney, whose right thigh was sliced open by the studs of Fulham forward Hugo Rodallega in a freak collision during Saturday’s Old Trafford fixture, was forced to go under general anaesthetic prior to surgery, which included the stitching of the wound, due to the severity of the injury. The player then spent the night under observation in hospital before being discharged on Sunday morning to recover at home. But the initial fears of United manager Sir Alex Ferguson that the 26 year-old would be out for a month as a result of the gash now appear hugely optimistic with medical staff shocked by the extent of the cut. Ferguson insisted, following the Fulham game, that Rodallega could not be blamed for the injury, but the damage caused by the player’s studs has caused surprise and concern.
Both Spurs and Real Madrid have also agreed a new partnership that will see them work together in respect of players, coaches and commercial relationships.
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It's actually quite sad to see how low has Arsenal fallen. And I'm a United fan. I always thought up untill 2 years ago, they played the most beautiful football (behind Barcelona). Today was just awful to watch. At this pace, they'll become an average-to-good Premier leage club, ie. Everton, Aston Villa, Tottneham... and not a top 4 team. It is unacceptable to sell stars such as VanP, Fabregas and Nasri and replace them with guys like Arteta, Giroud and Podolski. Nothing against those guys, but I find that they're more complimentary players rather the go-to, key guys. IMO, they need to go after young stars such as Goetze (sp?), Eriksen (from Ajax), Hummels, Subotic, Martinez, Jovetic....young, but still proven, fantastic players with amazing potential.
Even with the summer exits and two draws I'm still excited, as well as, optimistic. The midfield is pretty damn good, Cazorla is absolute quality and Arteta is very underrated. The Ox has the potential to be beast and if we can get Diaby and Wilshere back to their best the midfield could be one of the best in the league.
You also have to consider that it looks as though Arsene is going to without a defensive mid. The amount of discipline and quality required to revert to this system is quite high, which speaks of our midfield. Considering that I haven't been worried sick about our defense during the first two matches I've been impressed with the midfield. Although there appears to be a lack of a cutting edge, I think once the team gels the flow will improve and goals arrive.
That being said, I wouldn't mind if Wegner added a creative winger this week.
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I honestly think it's a bit quick to make any type of judgement about any team, it's been two games. I think by mid-to-late September you can start to see where teams bigger holes are.
On Sportsnet Craig and Gerry were saying that initial reports were saying that it could be a month before he's back. Yikes.
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