Apple vs. Samsung lawsuit in the US

[chemgear]

Not sure where to have put this (Apple megathread, stock market thread, etc.)

Anyhow, looks like a significant win for Apple - though 2.5 billion is sorta like pocket change for them. Liveblog still going through here:

http://live.theverge.com/apple-samsung-verdict-live/

I assume there will be an appeal - or more impetus to settle perhaps?

EDIT:

CNET here too: http://live.cnet.com/Event/Apple_vs_Samsung_verdict

Scorecard so far:
* Jury finds Samsung infringement of Apple utility, design patents for some (though not all) products
* Jury finds willful infringement on 5 of 6 patents.
* Jury upholds Apple utility, design patents
* Jury upholds Apple trade dress '983
* Jury finds Samsung "diluted" Apple's registered iPhone, iPhone 3 and "Combination iPhone" trade dress on some products, not on others
* No Apple infringement of Samsung utility patents
* Jury found Samsung violated antitrust law by monopolizing markets related to the UMTS standard

Damages owed by Samsung:
* $1.05 billion and counting


Damages from Samsung to Apple: zero.

[Azure]

Sounds like a crock of crap.

[chemgear]

Wow, that was neat to see the liveblogs go - would have been neat to reaction to the various rulings in person. Wonder if there is ever news coverage of that in camera.

Stock wise, APPL is up ten bucks after hours.

[Azure]

The verdict came in shockingly quickly, as the jury was only in deliberation for three days. The jury worked one hour late yesterday and reached a decision at 2:35 PT today. Over 700 individual decisions had to be made by members of the jury, which does not come from particularly technical backgrounds, on their complex worksheets.

http://techcrunch.com/2012/08/24/app...ung-infringes/

So blast away at a jury with a bunch of technical mumbo jumbo that most of them don't understand, and expect them to make a quality decision. What a load of crap.

The hilarious part is that they ruled that Samsung infringed on Apple, but Apple did absolutely nothing wrong.

[chemgear]

Not sure how reliable this is but:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=25515


The damages aren't really the worst part of this for Samsung.

The very bad part is that it will now find virtually all of its smartphones banned from sale in the U.S., pending software and design modifications. This could literally cost it several times the damages in lost sales.

Judge Lucy Koh has yet to deliver a final ruling, which will likely include product bans, but that should come in a matter of days. One thing's for sure -- Samsung is going to appeal this, but it's likely to lose billions in the meantime.

The Galaxy S III is spared merely because it was too fresh to be banned, but Apple could use the jury's sweeping ruling as leverage to push for a speedy ban on that device to by the U.S. International Trade Commission.

Apple has done it -- it's quite literally dealt a death blow to the biggest Android phonemaker's U.S. sales.

[Azure]

The Galaxy S2 and the original galaxy S is also free too, no? So the best selling Samsung phones weren't even part of the suit. Which is even more hilarious.

Can't innovate, so take them to court and sue them for billions or get their phones to stop selling. Go Apple go.

[Azure]

Good job by the lawyers. Getting what essentially are 9 ignorant morons to decide on the tech trial of the century.

Apparently the jury was given a 109 page form of instructions, which was pretty much written by lawyers.

More here.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/23/32...form-nightmare

Just mind boggling.

And they came to a decision this fast? Really?

[FlameOn]

Horrible legal precedent to set and a huge blow to open innovation. It really ended up being a huge win for mostly the lawyers and Apple. Anyways, CNet had a good analysis of what's the come with either side won. Since it looks like Apple won we can expect a huge glut of new lawsuits going through the legal system. Everyone will be suing everyone else for anything they can push through the broken patent system. Consumer is the biggest loser.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57...news&tag=title

[Azure]

20 page jury form with 700 questions in 33 categories. The jury was required to reach consensus on any ‘guilt’ findings and then determine damages for each. And it only took 1.5 days for the jury to come up with a decision.

How is that even possible? I was expecting them to take at least a week or more.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Azure

And they came to a decision this fast? Really?

Was it that hard?

[bluejays]

^ I'm not sure I know all the details of the case, but to me, the newest Samsung S3 is nowhere close to an iPhone clone. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but I think most would find it a stretch if anything happened with regards to banning that product based on the argument it's an iPhone clone - total stretch. Now Samsung's previous products to me were pretty obviously complete ripoffs.

[Azure]

The only reason the S3 wasn't part of the lawsuit is because it was too soon. The S2 was, and the judge threw it out.

Apple has $110 billion in the bank and Android is growing fast. Instead of innovating obviously they will try to get Samsung(biggest Android phone maker) products banned. Its just sad that the legal system has allowed this to happen.

And like I said, mind boggling that ANY jury of 9 people can come to a decision THIS fast.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Was it that hard?

WTF is that supposed to mean? This was an extremely complex case, despite what Apple fanbois are saying. They spent how much time going over the goddamn instructions for the jury? And you're saying it wasn't that hard?

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Azure

WTF is that supposed to mean? This was an extremely complex case, despite what Apple fanbois are saying. They spent how much time going over the goddamn instructions for the jury? And you're saying it wasn't that hard?

No ####, calm down. I've posted around here long enough for people to know I go both ways on tech.

[Azure]

From the cnet live blog.

So Galaxy Tab 10.1 4G LTE -- was accused of direct infringement and inducement of D889 patent, and dilution and infringement of iPad iPad 2 trade dress that the jury's response was no. But $219k of damages was awarded. And Intercept, found no infrginement of 915 patent, but found inducement of 915 patent and awarded $2.2M in damages - Koh wants them to look at damages again.

Just goes to show the jury has no idea what they're doing.

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

No ####, calm down. I've posted around here long enough for people to know I go both ways

Fixed

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Azure

Good job by the lawyers. Getting what essentially are 9 ignorant morons to decide on the tech trial of the century.

So who's ignorant here

But the jury, which has now reached a verdict, isn't necessarily full of tech novices either. Four of them have worked for technology companies, including Intel and AT&T. One worked for a hard-drive company. There are two engineers on the jury. One member owns multiple Samsung and Apple products.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57...-we-found-out/

[Azure]

And? Did you read through the forms and instructions they were given? Nevermind all the lawyer speak that has been going on throughout the trial.

There is no way in hell they can make a decision in 1.5 days. So they obviously just winged it and are now being told to look at the damages again.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Azure

And? Did you read through the forms and instructions they were given? Nevermind all the lawyer speak that has been going on throughout the trial.

There is no way in hell they can make a decision in 1.5 days. So they obviously just winged it and are now being told to look at the damages again.

I still wanna know which of the jurors was ignorant, you've clearly got the inside track on this trial.

Edit: or a moron, you can point out the moron jurors instead if it's easier

[FanIn80]

Yikes somebody's awfully butthurt...