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getbak · 08-21-2012, 04:33 PM

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I think what chilled me the most about the episode is how cold Walt was about the kid. I mean, he talked to Jesse and said that he could barely sleep over it and then turns around and starts whistling a jaunty tune. Very eerie stuff.

To make it even more chilling, according to some with a better ear for music than I, the jaunty tune he was whistling was Queen's "Lily of the Valley".

Table 5 · 08-21-2012, 04:41 PM

What's funny is that with all the empire talk, has Walt ever had less than he does now? He practically has no wife, barely sees his kids, doesn't seem to be making that much money (definitely not as much as with Gus), and is partners in some piddly little operation that's been on shaky ground from the start.

He's basically got a watch and a car to show for it all. That's an empire?

Bunk · 08-21-2012, 04:43 PM

^ Definitely. But clearly what he truly loves is the game.

malcolmk14 · 08-21-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

To make it even more chilling, according to some with a better ear for music than I, the jaunty tune he was whistling was Queen's "Lily of the Valley".

Wow, fantastic catch.

BlackRedGold25 · 08-21-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

What's funny is that with all the empire talk, has Walt ever had less than he does now? He practically has no wife, barely sees his kids, doesn't seem to be making that much money (definitely not as much as with Gus), and is partners in some piddly little operation that's been on shaky ground from the start.

He's basically got a watch and a car to show for it all. That's an empire?

He's got power. He no longer answers to anyone and others answer to him (even if some don't know it).

He's now running a startup with great growth potential as opposed to being an employee of a larger, but more mature, business.

Table 5 · 08-21-2012, 05:26 PM

There's potential for power and success, I'm just not really seeing it yet. Jesse comes up with all the ideas, Mike does all the work, and Walt just plays king inside of his head while pretty much always putting the operation in danger.

If Mike and Jesse exit the business (which I don't see happening, despite last episode), can you really see Walt pulling it all off on his own? He'll be too busy congratulating himself while eating KD in his underwear.

BlackEleven · 08-22-2012, 09:09 AM

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There's potential for power and success, I'm just not really seeing it yet. Jesse comes up with all the ideas, Mike does all the work, and Walt just plays king inside of his head while pretty much always putting the operation in danger.

If Mike and Jesse exit the business (which I don't see happening, despite last episode), can you really see Walt pulling it all off on his own? He'll be too busy congratulating himself while eating KD in his underwear.

I think Walt could get by without Jesse. I don't think Walt's incapable of ideas now, he's just distracted from arguing with Mike all the time. His major problem remains distribution. He has no idea how to handle that and every time he's tried in the past it's ended in disaster.

As someone else suggested I think he'll end up using the people who wanted to purchase the methylamine (Colonel Young from Stargate) for distribution. But eventually, I think that'll cause problems for him as well when he'll start to feel like he's working as their cook rather than them working as his distributors.

HalifaxDrunk · 08-22-2012, 11:16 AM

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He's basically got a watch and a car to show for it all. That's an empire?

Don't forget approximately 1,000 gallons of methlamine! I know he technically only owns a third of it but he currently has it all.

FlamesAddiction · 08-22-2012, 11:21 AM

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Don't forget approximately 1,000 gallons of methlamine! I know he technically only owns a third of it but he currently has it all.

And notoriety. Even the Phoenix mob has heard of Heisenberg. That's something he never had before. I think back to the 1st season when he worked at the car wash and the students made fun of him for it.

Maybe that's not an empire, but it's only been about 1 year in the show. In 1 year, that is a long way to come.

Tinordi · 08-22-2012, 11:26 AM

Love the arc of Walt. Three seasons ago, the deal that was presented to him would have exceeded his wildest dreams. Now it was completely in character for him to reject the deal. Of course after rejecting that deal Walt banished any sympathy the viewer should have for him. He had the choice to step out of the illegal drug business and supplying highly addictive drugs to the underclass, return himself and his family to a life of relative safety, repair the fragments that once was his family, and avoid having any more blood on his hands. The choice couldn't have been easier.

But no, his vanity and ego have driven him to pursue Walt's perverse interests over anyone else's including his family, his extended family (Hank and the storm that will come down on him after he DEA finds out about Walt) and his closest friend (Jesse). What's even more concerning is that Walt is rationalizing this behaviour out of sheer conceit that he deserves better, he deserved a piece of the grey matter pie and to hell with everything else. What a sad, sick little man.

Huntingwhale · 08-22-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

To make it even more chilling, according to some with a better ear for music than I, the jaunty tune he was whistling was Queen's "Lily of the Valley".

Amazing. The entire time Walk was whistling, Jesse had a disgusted look on his face. Probably because he was wondering how Walt could whistle a tune after all that has happened, but I wonder if he recognized it and put 2 and 2 together....

Great catch.

malcolmk14 · 08-22-2012, 07:09 PM

I think he sort of recognized the tune but couldn't place it. I bet he hears the song in a subsequent episode and puts it together though.

malcolmk14 · 08-22-2012, 07:21 PM

In the season premiere Walter handed the girl at Denny's a drivers license that said "New Hampshire" and his name was Lambert, which is Marie and Skyler's maiden name.

Interestingly, Walt Whitman has a poem called Purple Lilacs which references New Hampshire. One of many Walt Whitman references in the show. Might be reading too much into it. But in this show, it's likely it is there for a reason.

Flash Walken · 08-22-2012, 07:50 PM

I'm loving this thread for the catches that I don't get, even upon a third viewing.

Wormius · 08-22-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by malcolmk14

In the season premiere Walter handed the girl at Denny's a drivers license that said "New Hampshire" and his name was Lambert, which is Marie and Skyler's maiden name.

Interestingly, Walt Whitman has a poem called Purple Lilacs which references New Hampshire. One of many Walt Whitman references in the show. Might be reading too much into it. But in this show, it's likely it is there for a reason.

Any idea which book of Walt Whitman's poetry did Walter have a few episodes back? They made a point of showing Walter with it when he was moving back into the house. With that, the title of the last episode, and Walter's comment about Walt Whitman to Hank about Gale's notebook something might be brewing.

This is interesting how the roles have changed with everybody. Walt is now to Hank what Gus was to Hank's previous supervisor; Skyler (I think) is plotting ways to kill Walt, probably by turning Jesse against Walt the way Walt did to try to get him to kill Gus.

By the way, I may have missed it, but I am under the impression that Walt told Saul about poisoning Brock? Is that right? If so, why would he tell him?

Arbitor · 08-22-2012, 10:16 PM

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By the way, I may have missed it, but I am under the impression that Walt told Saul about poisoning Brock? Is that right? If so, why would he tell him?

He needed to get the ricin cigarette off of Jesse somehow. Saul would have inquired about it.

malcolmk14 · 08-22-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wormius

Any idea which book of Walt Whitman's poetry did Walter have a few episodes back? They made a point of showing Walter with it when he was moving back into the house. With that, the title of the last episode, and Walter's comment about Walt Whitman to Hank about Gale's notebook something might be brewing.

Leaves of Grass, which contained Gale Bedeker's favourite poem, when I heard the Learn'd Astronomer.

Ashasx · 08-26-2012, 09:01 PM

What a gruesome episode.

It's all going to come crashing down now.

Ark2 · 08-26-2012, 09:13 PM

It's strange, but it feels like of all the terrible things that Walt has done, the one that I have the most trouble with is him refusing to pay Jesse.

MrMastodonFarm · 08-26-2012, 09:15 PM

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It's strange, but it feels like of all the terrible things that Walt has done, the one that I have the most trouble with is him refusing to pay Jesse.

It shows that he is willing to just plain ol' screw over, without even trying to manipulate, the guy who has always had his back. Walt would try to finesse Jesse before, isn't even willing to do that anymore.

What an episode... but I always say that.