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		|  08-18-2012, 02:29 PM | #41 |  
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			This is OT but one of my favorite movie scenes of all time is when Indy is trapped at the castle (or whatever) by the Nazis and he's explaining to the Nazi guy and Donovan that Marcus is fluent in so many languages and he knows every local custom and that he'll be like a cameleon and that for all they know he's already found the grail. 
 Cut scene to Marcus Brody at the train station sticking out like a sore thumb and a bumbling idiot.
 
 I just love the conviction when Indy says it and then we find out he's full of it. I think Connery even makes a comment about the fact that he knows a ton of languages but they are all dead languages like ancient greek or some such ####.
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		|  08-18-2012, 03:23 PM | #42 |  
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			He once got lost in his own museum.
		 
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		|  08-18-2012, 06:09 PM | #43 |  
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He also contracted aids and died from the disease in 1992   
What makes Raiders of the Lost Ark better than the Last Crusade is the love interest. Marion Ravenwood is one of the great female characterizations in action movie history. While Indy does have to save her a few times, at least she is able to operate independently, and is not completely useless in Jones' quest for the Ark. 
 
Kate Capshaw in completely useless in Temple of Doom, and is a detriment to the quest to find the stones. I still don't understand why he chose to bring her along in the first place.
 
Schneider in The Last Crusade is pretty good as well, but being siding the enemy doesn't necessarily force her to do much in the movie. She did make a fine looking Nazi though.
 
The Last Crusade is better for its comical moments, and Sean Connery was great as usual. But, Raiders of the Lost Ark I find to be technically superior (for its age), and is the better developed movie. Of course it had the benefit of being the first in the series, and it is was probably difficult to make a better movie with a similar concept.
 
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			I wouldn't say Schneider was the love interest, instead I would say in both movies he had a sidekick of sorts and in Crusade it was his dad. in raiders it was also his love interest.
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			a femme fatale can replace the role of a love interest.
		 
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			i've heard of the movie, but have never seen it. is it worthwhile?
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Did you forget the green text or just playing silly-bugger??
		 
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					Originally Posted by sixpacked  Did you forget the green text or just playing silly-bugger?? |  
no, i'm dead serious. i have never seen watched this movie. i have also never watched a terminator movie, rambo or any other sequel movie, other than star wars.
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		|  08-21-2012, 03:56 PM | #50 |  
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You need to go out and watch Indy 1 and 3 then Terminator 1 and 2 (1 being optional IMO). 
  
Rambo, I'd probably watch the first one which isn't actually called Rambo and is 180 degrees from what 2 and 3 turned out to be.
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Aliens as well.   James Cameron and Stan Winston were at their prime in the 90s.
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					Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger  You need to go out and watch Indy 1 and 3 then Terminator 1 and 2 (1 being optional IMO). 
 Rambo, I'd probably watch the first one which isn't actually called Rambo and is 180 degrees from what 2 and 3 turned out to be.
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Terminator 1 being optional? Really. Maybe I am in the minority here, but I feel the first Terminator movie is superior to the sequel. Maybe it's the noire like feel it has going for it, but it just feels more authentic than Judgement Day. Don't get me wrong T2 is great as well, but trying to teach the Terminator human emotions really didn't work for me. The effects are obviously superior in T2, but for 1984 the first movie had fantastic effects as well. It was also great seeing Arnie in one of the few roles where he plays a villain. 
 
It's very similar to how people compare Alien with Aliens. If you want all out action and effects, go for the sequel; however If you are looking for a more authentic, gritty, dark sci-fi/horror movie choose the original.
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I can virtually guarantee you will enjoy it. If you lived in Edmonton I would take you to it, I'm that confident
		 
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		|  08-21-2012, 09:56 PM | #55 |  
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			I agree that T1 is the superior movie.
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		|  08-22-2012, 10:24 AM | #56 |  
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 It's very similar to how people compare Alien with Aliens. If you want all out action and effects, go for the sequel; however If you are looking for a more authentic, gritty, dark sci-fi/horror movie choose the original.
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Yup and I think it is far inferior to T2. That being said T1 is still a fantastic film, I just think T2 is the best action movie of all time and it probably isn't even close.
  
I don't agree with the Alien/Aliens comparison though. Since both Terminator movies are Cameron movies. I just think T1 is a little low rent compared to T2, I could see how someone might call it gritty because of that. T2 being a somewhat similar movie, a pursuit movie with a powerful villain chasing our hero and his outmatched protector, I think it improved on the first one in every category. I wouldn't call T1 more authentic or dark. It just has lower production values. 
  
Alien/Aliens are actually pretty much different subgenres, with both probably fitting into the general sci fi genre.
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			T1 is a Thriller/borderline horror movie, T2 is a Blockbuster.
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					Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger  I just think T1 is a little low rent compared to T2 |  
The Terminator - $6,400,000 
Terminator 2: Judgment Day  - $94,000,000
 
If anyone wants to see some breakdowns of movie costs and return on investment take a look here.  Raiders was made for $18 million.
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					Originally Posted by zamler  Estimated Budget
The Terminator - $6,400,000 
Terminator 2: Judgment Day - $94,000,000
  
If anyone wants to see some breakdowns of movie costs and return on investment take a look here.  Raiders was made for $18 million. |  
Christ almighty, how can Tangled have cost $260 million to make? I realize that there was tons of advertising and promotions on that movie, but that's an insane cost for an animated movie.
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		|  08-22-2012, 01:49 PM | #60 |  
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			I first saw Raiders with my mom at the Palace theatre. soooo awesome. I can't believe that Raiders was in the theatre for over a year during it's first run. now movies last a month at the most?
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