2012/2013 English Premier League thread

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I would take another one of Man City's cast offs on loan to fix the problem short term, Dzeko, & Adebayor will likely both be options.

Maybe see if Carroll could be had at a cut rate if Liverpool become desperate to get rid of him.

Yeah, Dzeko would be good. And Ade was pretty awesome last year. Carroll is refusing to go anywhere. West Ham ponied up for him and he wouldn't leave.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Probably at least partially true, but what are our other options up front right now? We need a big target.

I know a certain Geordie who might be available.....

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

knew it was coming but I am still somewhat surprised it happened

I think this has the potential to bust for United, 24m for a 29 year old with a very big injury history, but if healthy him and Rooney should work great together

it definitely hurts Arsenal though

relying on 3 players now who weren't in England last year (in a league where many players take at least a year to adapt)

I think its stupid for both of them.

For one, as you stated, long-run this is a lot of money for Van Persie. Short term it might work out great depending on injuries, but he is 29 and oft-injured. They might only be getting a couple big seasons out of him.

But if he even remotely repeats last season then it might be worth it.

As for Arsenal, they are patently window-licking ######ed for selling him to United. From my perspective Wenger is a straight-up moron for doing this.

First of all, this makes United better and Arsenal worse right away and these two teams are likely competing neck and neck for everything. What if they meet in the Champions' League and its an RvP goal that knocks Arsenal out? Wil the money have been worth that?

They're competing for (arguably) the league, top 4 spots and the CL, they could conceivably meet in the FA and Carling cups and Champions' League.

It would be like Calgary trading Iginla to Vancouver for nothing and having him light us up 6 times a year keeping the Flames out of the playoffs.

[KTown]

Originally Posted by Locke

I know a certain Geordie who might be available.....



I think its stupid for both of them.

For one, as you stated, long-run this is a lot of money for Van Persie. Short term it might work out great depending on injuries, but he is 29 and oft-injured. They might only be getting a couple big seasons out of him.

But if he even remotely repeats last season then it might be worth it.

As for Arsenal, they are patently window-licking ######ed for selling him to United. From my perspective Wenger is a straight-up moron for doing this.

First of all, this makes United better and Arsenal worse right away and these two teams are likely competing neck and neck for everything. What if they meet in the Champions' League and its an RvP goal that knocks Arsenal out? Wil the money have been worth that?

They're competing for (arguably) the league, top 4 spots and the CL, they could conceivably meet in the FA and Carling cups and Champions' League.

It would be like Calgary trading Iginla to Vancouver for nothing and having him light us up 6 times a year keeping the Flames out of the playoffs.

It's a sad day indeed to the start of the season that I was so hoping for this year. When will we learn and stop selling our players inside our own league.

[d_phaneuf]

I am going with the assumption Adebayor is happening

No way he stays at City

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Locke

I think its stupid for both of them.

For one, as you stated, long-run this is a lot of money for Van Persie. Short term it might work out great depending on injuries, but he is 29 and oft-injured. They might only be getting a couple big seasons out of him.

But if he even remotely repeats last season then it might be worth it.

As for Arsenal, they are patently window-licking ######ed for selling him to United. From my perspective Wenger is a straight-up moron for doing this.

First of all, this makes United better and Arsenal worse right away and these two teams are likely competing neck and neck for everything. What if they meet in the Champions' League and its an RvP goal that knocks Arsenal out? Wil the money have been worth that?

They're competing for (arguably) the league, top 4 spots and the CL, they could conceivably meet in the FA and Carling cups and Champions' League.

It would be like Calgary trading Iginla to Vancouver for nothing and having him light us up 6 times a year keeping the Flames out of the playoffs.

I agree that it's a risk for United and I agree that it's stupid from Wenger, but could we please not use a "it would be like"-example where Vancouver is United? That hurts

[Locke]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

I am going with the assumption Adebayor is happening

No way he stays at City

Its been pretty clear that City dont want him back, and he wants to stay at Spurs (as far as I can tell) but he still wants his £170k/week which just may not happen in North London. At least not in white and blue.

Emmanuel Adebayor has been told he will not play for Manchester City this season.

Roberto Mancini has taken a hardline stance with the striker as he attempts to get him to reduce his wage demands and complete a transfer to Tottenham Hotspur.

Adebayor has been omitted from the squad for City's pre-season friendlies whereas Roque Santa Cruz, who is also for sale, has been allowed to get match fit as Mancini has tried to force Adebayor to leave.

"I am sorry for Adebayor because he has no chance at City," the manager said. "He has absolutely no chance of playing this season here so, for us, it's important he can find a good solution."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...future?cc=5901

[Locke]

Originally Posted by devo22

I agree that it's a risk for United and I agree that it's stupid from Wenger, but could we please not use a "it would be like"-example where Vancouver is United? That hurts

Sorry, in my little personal sports comparison world:

United = Vancouver
Everton = Edmonton
Liverpool = Calgary
Arsenal = Colorado

And thats the way I like it.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Locke

Its been pretty clear that City dont want him back, and he wants to stay at Spurs (as far as I can tell) but he still wants his £170k/week which just may not happen in North London. At least not in white and blue.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...future?cc=5901

ya but they will come to something, his wages count against FFP so if City have to give him a payment to go (to make up for what Spurs would pay) it will happen

all 3 sides are just dragging to get the best deal

[d_phaneuf]

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[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Locke

I know a certain Geordie who might be available.....



I think its stupid for both of them.

For one, as you stated, long-run this is a lot of money for Van Persie. Short term it might work out great depending on injuries, but he is 29 and oft-injured. They might only be getting a couple big seasons out of him.

But if he even remotely repeats last season then it might be worth it.

As for Arsenal, they are patently window-licking ######ed for selling him to United. From my perspective Wenger is a straight-up moron for doing this.

First of all, this makes United better and Arsenal worse right away and these two teams are likely competing neck and neck for everything. What if they meet in the Champions' League and its an RvP goal that knocks Arsenal out? Wil the money have been worth that?

They're competing for (arguably) the league, top 4 spots and the CL, they could conceivably meet in the FA and Carling cups and Champions' League.

It would be like Calgary trading Iginla to Vancouver for nothing and having him light us up 6 times a year keeping the Flames out of the playoffs.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Locke

Sorry, in my little personal sports comparison world:

United = Vancouver
Everton = Edmonton
Liverpool = Calgary
Arsenal = Colorado

And thats the way I like it.

Liverpool = Edmonton. Both are current failures living on past wins.
Man City = Vancouver
Chelsea = Toronto (ya ya, perhaps different recent performances)

[Locke]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Liverpool = Edmonton. Both are current failures living on past wins.
Man City = Vancouver
Chelsea = Toronto (ya ya, perhaps different recent performances)

Well, I was joking, so now I think you're crazy.

I dont know how RvP thinks he can surpass Bebe on United's depth chart, its going to be tough for him top even make the starting 11.

[devo22]

--------------------De Gea

Rafael---------Vidic--------Ferdinand---------Evra

----------Cleverley----------Carrick

Valencia------------Rooney----------------Kagawa

------------------van Persie

... man, I can't wait for this season to start

[SuperMatt18]

Still doesn't really fix United's biggest issue last season and that was their midfield.

Doesn't matter if you have Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, and Chicarito as strikers if the midfield isn't strong enough.

[Addick]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

it definitely hurts Arsenal though

relying on 3 players now who weren't in England last year (in a league where many players take at least a year to adapt)

Yup, hopefully the new recruits will be able to adapt quickly. You also mentioned that the scoring will require a collective effort. I think we'll be looking at Cazorla to unlock defenses in a manner similar to Cesc, which would help with secondary scoring.

Although this definitely weakens us, I'm still feeling good about the new season.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Addick

Yup, hopefully the new recruits will be able to adapt quickly. You also mentioned that the scoring will require a collective effort. I think we'll be looking at Cazorla to unlock defenses in a manner similar to Cesc, which would help with secondary scoring.

Although this definitely weakens us, I'm still feeling good about the new season.

I don't think Cazorla will be as much of an issue, he clearly has talent and I think he can come in like Mata did last year and RVP did the year before with success. Players coming from Spain seem to have much less of an issue.

Giroud and Podolski I would be much more worried about

If Giroud can put up 15 goals though they will be a better team than last year because of the other additions

[devo22]

Giroud and Cazorla could be great additions, but I'm not sold on Podolski ... I saw a lot of games of him in Germany, and he basically failed at Bayern. He was the lone star at Cologne though, we'll see how he'll adapt to the EPL. Arsenal should still be a very good team, especially if they can keep Song.

[d_phaneuf]

I would not be surprised at all if Podolski was a huge failure

never done it at club level, hasn't been great for country in a few years as well (and he likely just lost his spot)

[Locke]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

I would not be surprised at all if Podolski was a huge failure

never done it at club level, hasn't been great for country in a few years as well (and he likely just lost his spot)

Me neither. The issue for Podolski has always been motivation, I dont know how well he'll adapt to the English game.

I wouldnt be shocked if he was an Arshavin 2.0.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well, I was joking, so now I think you're crazy.

You called United fans comparable to Canuck fans, and now you're joking. cute.

Liverpool IS Edmonton.

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont know how RvP thinks he can surpass Bebe on United's depth chart, its going to be tough for him top even make the starting 11.

Me either. Oh dear. First class club problems.