Jay Bouwmeester Appreciation Thread

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

Oh my God. This comparison did not just happen. There's no way.

I think you're focusing too much on the Lidstrom name drop. The actual qualities highlighted were pretty accurate.

[robmneilson]

He's been such a huge disappointment since coming here (like most players that excelled in a cream puff division for so many years). But I'd love for him to boost his value a bit by playing well under Hartley since I doubt Detroit or Philly is going to offer anything amazing for him at this point.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you post something like that?

It's not the appropriate thread to sell Butler short.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Reanimate

I find it hilarious when people lose their collective #### when a comparable between Bouwmeester and Lidstrom is made. They do play the game the same way, Lidstrom is just 10x better at everything than Bouwmeester is, and 20x better than the next comparable. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT THEY ARE EQUALS.

Then why even compare them? Marc savard played the game the same as Wayne Gretzky but I certainly would not compare them either.

[Reanimate]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Then why even compare them? Marc savard played the game the same as Wayne Gretzky but I certainly would not compare them either.

I think you are missing the point.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Reanimate

I think you are missing the point.

What point?

[neo45]

Bouwmeester isn't as good as Lidstrom


But he is the most accurate comparison to Lidstrom (Lidstrom-lite as the poster put it). Out of all the D-men in the NHL his style is the most like Lidstrom

[Reanimate]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What point?

You are basically saying no one should ever be compared to anyone ever, if we used your reasoning.

[Jason14h]

I have appreciated not having to watch Jay Bouw all summer

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Reanimate

You are basically saying no one should ever be compared to anyone ever, if we used your reasoning.

Not really. I am saying a guy who has never played in the playoffs, never played to expectations, does not put up many points, and who's game goes down the toilet when the heat is on has no business being compared with a multiple SC winner, multiple Norris trophy winner, high scoring defenceman who can be in the debates of who is the greatest defenceman to ever play the game. It is a ridiculous comparison.

[Stay Golden]

Bouwmeester is a beast, plays fierce in front of net. There isn't a single forward in the league that doesn't shiver knowing that JBo is going to nail them through the glass.
Forget about standing in front of Kipper, JBo will chop them down.
His slap shot is right up there with Al MacInnis, and if he gets a chance to pinch farside in the offensive zone its just another easy goal for him to pot.
Now Holland will you please quit stalling and make this trade.

[Reanimate]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not really. I am saying a guy who has never played in the playoffs, never played to expectations, does not put up many points, and who's game goes down the toilet when the heat is on has no business being compared with a multiple SC winner, multiple Norris trophy winner, high scoring defenceman who can be in the debates of who is the greatest defenceman to ever play the game. It is a ridiculous comparison.

We aren't talking accomplishments, or teams they have played on, we are talking playing style. I have already said that Lidstrom plays the same way, just 10x (or so) better at it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Reanimate

We aren't talking accomplishments, or teams they have played on, we are talking playing style. I have already said that Lidstrom plays the same way, just 10x (or so) better at it.

Except they don't. Both use their stick to defend instead of the body. That is where it ends. Lidstrom has a great accurate shot which he can also use to play a slap pass to a teammate or off the back boards right in front of the net. His hockey IQ is off the charts and he thrives under pressure. If a guy is standing in front of the net Lidstrom will get physical enough to clear him out. Besides the big hit Lidstrom was the absolute master of everything else at his position.

[AR_Six]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm exactly like Nick Lidstrom. Me and him think the game the same way. Except he's, you know, a thousand times better than me. Still, appropriate comparable. I'm Lidstrom-Lite-Lite.

[Psytic]

Like I said before I will appreciate him when his salary is bumped down to around 4.75 to 5 mill and he is no longer "The Guy" on defence. He isn't bad once we accept him for being an average first liner. He just can't be the best player on D for the Flames if they hope to contend.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Like I said before I will appreciate him when his salary is bumped down to around 4.75 to 5 mill and he is no longer "The Guy" on defence. He isn't bad once we accept him for being an average first liner. He just can't be the best player on D for the Flames if they hope to contend.

This is exactly how I feel. I have this strong hunch that in 20-22 minutes a night playing 2nd pairing, he loses the shackles, plays much more creatively and becomes a much more effective player. I seriously think the Flames would get more out of him in 20 minutes in a role like that than they currently are in 26+. He's spent the last 3 years trying to be a player he simply isn't. Some guys can change their game, he clearly can't, and it's long past time to drop the experiment.

[Jason14h]

He isn't bad once we accept him for being an average first liner. He just can't be the best player on D for the Flames if they hope to contend.

I don't think he is good enough to be a first liner. He is a 3/4 on a good team IMO

[Reanimate]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except they don't. Both use their stick to defend instead of the body. That is where it ends. Lidstrom has a great accurate shot which he can also use to play a slap pass to a teammate or off the back boards right in front of the net. His hockey IQ is off the charts and he thrives under pressure. If a guy is standing in front of the net Lidstrom will get physical enough to clear him out. Besides the big hit Lidstrom was the absolute master of everything else at his position.

Lidstrom is about as physical in front of the net as Bouwmeester. He uses his positioning and tying up the forward/stick check more than anything. But whatever, we aren't going to change each others minds, so to each there own.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Bouwmeester looked to be a bit better than Butler most of last year.

Bouwmeester has the potential to be as good as Smith was when Smith was playing well.

You're honestly ridiculous.

[ricardodw]

Bouwmeester was cheated out his only first star selection in the last game of the year by Aliu. Bouwmeester got second star in that game. He finished off the season strong!! If only all games were just for fun.

You would think that Bouwmeester as an an elite defenseman would have been a 1st star once in the 82 games he played!!! Not only do I undervalue him so do the analysts watching the games.


Butler was First star in 1 game as a was Gio, Comeau, Horak , Bourque and Irving.

Tanguay was able to dominate 3 games as was Jokinen. Glencross was only first star in 2 games but was in the 3 stars in 10 games.

Brendan freaking Morrison, playing on one leg and muscle memory was first star twice

Stempniak , who I apparently under value, was first star in 2 games.

Bouwmeester 0 for 82 in being the best player in a game.

Iginla was First star in 11 games .... Kipper 10. If they were good team-mates you would think they would give one selection to Bouwmeester.

Cammalleri only played 28 games for the Flames .... first star twice.