[News] Flames prospect Ferland charged with assault

[Rasalghul]

Originally Posted by Makarov

You think that "young hockey players" should be above the law? Why?

I am too tired to argue with you or your alter ego, or whoever wrote that post. We dont know all the facts and we dont know how accurate the facts that we know are.

Everybody deserves a break now and then. If Ferland did do as they say he did cut him some slack. I am sure other people in history of the world have been cut some slack so I think he can be the recepient of the said slack.

Im corked, my old lady is yelling at me and Im tired so Im off to bed. Have a good night all.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by RobDoupe

You obviously don't remember the media firestorm over the Al MacInnis bar incident.

Story for us youngins?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Rasalghul

I am too tired to argue with you or your alter ego, or whoever wrote that post. We dont know all the facts and we dont know how accurate the facts that we know are.

Everybody deserves a break now and then. If Ferland did do as they say he did cut him some slack. I am sure other people in history of the world have been cut some slack so I think he can be the recepient of the said slack.

Im corked, my old lady is yelling at me and Im tired so Im off to bed. Have a good night all.

You certainly have my sympathy on that front.

However, I don't understand why you're going on about "we don't know all of the facts". Obviously that is true. I can say from experience that, even after a weeks long trial in superior court, with all of the complex rules of evidence, and dozens of witnesses (which obviously this matter is very unlikely to proceed to), all thoroughly cross-examined, we often don't know all of the facts. However, your suggestion that Ferland should get a break because he is a young hockey player is based on one of the very few facts that we do know for certain: Ferland is indeed a young hockey player.

In any event, I don't disagree that sometimes people need to be cut some slack. I just think that slack-cutting should be done on a principled basis, and "he's a young hockey player" isn't one of the principles that I would suggest.

[carom]

Originally Posted by Makarov

In any event, I don't disagree that sometimes people need to be cut some slack. I just think that slack-cutting should be done on a principled basis, and "he's a young hockey player" isn't one of the principles that I would suggest.

OK, how about that from all accounts that I have heard, he did not have the easiest life growing up and appears to be working hard to make a better life for himself and family, is that good enough?

Also, for the people complaining about flames fans objectivity, did any other fans come in here saying he is a scumbag and that he should have the book thrown at him with flames fans subsequently defending him because he is in the flames organization? I dont remember that, but I could be wrong.

Also, I may be wrong here also, but I think that the term fan is derived from fanatic. According to wikipedia:

Fanaticism is a belief or behavior involving uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religious or political cause or in some cases sports, or with an obsessive enthusiasm for a pastime or hobby. Philosopher George Santayana defines fanaticism as "redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim"; according to Winston Churchill, "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject". By either description the fanatic displays very strict standards and little tolerance for contrary ideas or opinions.

(I'm sorry, I love wikipedia even it is steers me wrong everyonce in a while)

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Rasalghul

Yes it is!!! You can only make those observations about white people, if you say a "native" does so and so or a "gay" does even if you saw it you will be pegged as a homophobe and a racist.

People need to stop with the blind love the same way people do with the blind hate, its really lame. In certain areas the crime rate is higher or certain behaviours are more common with some races or within some cultures. This does not have to do with their race, more so their social surrounding.

Whoa... relax there Willard. The myth about whites being oppressed is just a myth.

[Rasalghul]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Whoa... relax there Willard. The myth about whites being oppressed is just a myth.

You missed the jist of my post and took it out of context, willard. Its brutally obvious that whites have received preferential treatment in north america since they won the fight for title of the land.

[Rasalghul]

Originally Posted by carom

OK, how about that from all accounts that I have heard, he did not have the easiest life growing up and appears to be working hard to make a better life for himself and family, is that good enough?

Also, for the people complaining about flames fans objectivity, did any other fans come in here saying he is a scumbag and that he should have the book thrown at him with flames fans subsequently defending him because he is in the flames organization? I dont remember that, but I could be wrong.

Also, I may be wrong here also, but I think that the term fan is derived from fanatic. According to wikipedia:



(I'm sorry, I love wikipedia even it is steers me wrong everyonce in a while)

Who's quotes have you lissted in your sig?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by carom

OK, how about that from all accounts that I have heard, he did not have the easiest life growing up and appears to be working hard to make a better life for himself and family, is that good enough?

Yes, that is good enough. Indeed, those factors are specifically considered by sentencing courts after the Supreme Court of Canada's decision in R. v. Gladue. However, that is completely different than saying that someone should "get a break" because they are a young hockey player (which is what I was taking issue with.)

[Rasalghul]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Yes, that is good enough. Indeed, those factors are specifically considered by sentencing courts after the Supreme Court of Canada's decision in R. v. Gladue. However, that is completely different than saying that someone should "get a break" because they are a young hockey player (which is what I was taking issue with.)

I'm curious as to why a flames fan on a calgary flames fan board would not want one of their prospects to catch a break?

I wouldn't care if he was a canuck prospect, the kid may have made a mistake, no need to cry over spilled milk. There are other ways to punish him in the criminal justice system. Other than slapping him with a criminal record. Didn't bertuzzi just have to pay a fine after the moore incident in place of a conviction?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Rasalghul

I'm curious as to why a flames fan on a calgary flames fan board would not want one of their prospects to catch a break?

Because some Flames fans care more about fairness and justice in their community than hockey?

Originally Posted by Rasalghul

I wouldn't care if he was a canuck prospect, the kid may have made a mistake, no need to cry over spilled milk. There are other ways to punish him in the criminal justice system. Other than slapping him with a criminal record.

Perhaps, but it shouldn't be because he is a big shot hockey prospect. That is all that I'm saying.

[carom]

Originally Posted by Rasalghul

Who's quotes have you lissted in your sig?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Whenever+you+fe...t+you%27ve+had
and
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22None+of+us+c...lf+forever.%22

Both quotes, I think have some reference to the Calgary Flames and CP in general. Plus I like the quotes and I am a quote nerd.

[Tinordi]

Is puckluck back?

[Bezer]

Innocent til proven guilty but when you are a person who is known, you need to be careful how you handle yourself. If he is innocent, which I hope he is, lesson leaned (be careful what kind of situations you put yourself in) If he is guilty I hope they throw the book at him. He is a representative of the Flames and he should act as such, he cant go around breaking peoples faces.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Rasalghul

I'm curious as to why a flames fan on a calgary flames fan board would not want one of their prospects to catch a break?

I wouldn't care if he was a canuck prospect, the kid may have made a mistake, no need to cry over spilled milk. There are other ways to punish him in the criminal justice system. Other than slapping him with a criminal record. Didn't bertuzzi just have to pay a fine after the moore incident in place of a conviction?

I highly doubt if this was a Canucks Oilers or Jets prospect people have such bleeding hearts. Im a teacher and work with at risk kids from absolute terrible family lives and I fully believe in giving people breaks if it is warranted. I also see what happens when people are allowed to get off or not held responsible for their actions. Regardless of his profession or upbringing he should be treated like anyone else.

[edn88]

I like what Jim Rome always has to say when an NFLer gets mixed up in an incident outside a bar -"nothing good can come from being outside abar at 2 am.". So, if you are going to be a pro athlete - be smart and stay away from where the trouble is. Sure it is less fun, but sometimes that's what being an adult means - doing the smart thing not the fun thing.

[Rasalghul]

Originally Posted by edn88

I like what Jim Rome always has to say when an NFLer gets mixed up in an incident outside a bar -"nothing good can come from being outside abar at 2 am.". So, if you are going to be a pro athlete - be smart and stay away from where the trouble is. Sure it is less fun, but sometimes that's what being an adult means - doing the smart thing not the fun thing.

This is a very accurat statement. It is even harder when you are a known athlete or star to avoid problems.

I remember listening to Stone Cold Steve Austin interview a few years ago. He mentioned in the interview the hardest thing about being in his position of fame is that whenever he went out to bars people wanted to fight him so they could say "I beat up stone cold steve austing"

I am not saying Ferland is the victim in this but people like him may have to wathc out, especially in smaller communities were everybody knows everybody.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Story for us youngins?

In the mid-80s, MacInnis was out at the bar with some friends when a brawl broke out between his group and some other patrons. A woman alleged that MacInnis kicked her in the stomach. Charges were laid, but I don't think anyone was convicted in the incident. It caused quite a stir, as MacInnis was already a star, and the city was small in those days so there were all kinds of rumours from people whose friends were at the bar, etc.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Bezer

Innocent til proven guilty but when you are a person who is known, you need to be careful how you handle yourself. If he is innocent, which I hope he is, lesson leaned (be careful what kind of situations you put yourself in) If he is guilty I hope they throw the book at him. He is a representative of the Flames and he should act as such, he cant go around breaking peoples faces.

That's ridiculous.

It's a bar fight, not a serial killing.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I'm reading Theo Fleury's book right now and after reading about half of it Ferland's incident sounds like just another Friday night in the 80's haha.

I know the times have changed and players are more professional now, but I think people are severely over reacting to this situation.

By the way, has there been any more news on this? Has a court.date been scheduled?

[terryclancy]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

By the way, has there been any more news on this? Has a court.date been scheduled?

According to the Cochrane Times (right between an ad for a fertilizer sale and the Seniors' Bridge Club sked), Ferland is scheduled to appear in Provincial Court in Cochrane on Sept. 4.

Whether the matter will be dealt with then, or Ferland's lawyer will simply come out to set a later date, it doesn't say.