Cop gets 20-day sentence for sex with girl, 15

[blankall]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Why is he a "suspended" officer, and not a "fired" officer? Anyone in law enforcement know the difference? Is suspended only a temporary ban kind of thing? Not sure how that works.

My guess is unions. They can't fire a tenured officer without some kind of hearing/process. They can suspend him until that hearing/process takes place. He quit before that could happen as he knew he was screwed, and rightfully so.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by OilKiller

I was going to post it, but then thought it was too predictable.

Seems I was right.

Yes because your other post in this thread was the height of originality. Just save yourself some time and be creepy the easy way next time, the same creepers will give you a thanks anyway.

[OilKiller]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

Yes because your other post in this thread was the height of originality. Just save yourself some time and be creepy the easy way next time, the same creepers will give you a thanks anyway.

LOL...go grab a beer and relax buddy. It was a joke. Wow...

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

Age of consent laws are arbitrary, yes, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. That line isn't relevant to the morality of sleeping with a teenager. A 16 or 17 year old having sex with a 39 year old isn't less ####ed up than a 15 year old. It's a shame that people use the law as an excuse for creeping on children.

Do you consider a 16 yr old a child?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Thor

Do you consider a 16 yr old a child?

Depends on the definition of a child.

[zamler]

Ask Pedobear he'll know.

[octothorp]

Yeah, the laws around consent are always muddy. I think it's important to always frame the debate about protecting potential victims, rather than enforcing morality. I think that hard, arbitrary line is an important part of protecting victims. People need to know that there's going to be a hard line that if they cross, they're going to be punished hard, no matter how willing the other participant seemed. In this case, that's the part that really pisses me off: that "It never occurred to him that she was 15 years old" is part of the defence. That's like a store using a similar defence when a minor tries to buy tobacco. (It's particularly egregious that a police officer would claim to be so clueless.) If he had asked her age (and not asked a leading question such as "you're like, 18, right?"), and she had lied, I can see that as a (slight) mitigating factor.
I'm not going to pretend that I know how 15 year-old-girls think. I don't even know how a woman my own age thinks most-times. But it seems to me that if you make the asking of this question a requirement, it provides an opportunity for a confused, impressionable youth to get out of an unwanted situation simply by truthfully answering a simple question. That would allow a little more protection to victims than they have now. It's only a small part of the big picture of victim's rights, sure, but that's the part of this story that really upsets me.

[Thor]

So lets for a moment believe him that he thought she was of drinking age, the other girl was 17 so for a moment lets play this game.

He thinks he slept with a 18yr old, fine yes gross and especially considering hes a cop with 4 children.

The girl reports this incident much later when shes brought into the police station for something else, then she decides to bust him for it.

Now, had she been 16 at the time, he would not even be charged, and again this is IF its credible he truly believed she was of age (even then its kinda stupid of a police officer to be more interested in finding out her age.)

Since this hes lost his job, his marriage, his kids, his career and attempted suicide when he was charged.

The girl had no idea he was a cop, so not sure how the figure of authority plays into this like it does with teachers, bosses, etc..

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Thor

The girl had no idea he was a cop, so not sure how the figure of authority plays into this like it does with teachers, bosses, etc..

I reckon she knew or thought he was....in fact I think it says in the story that she asked if he was a cop.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Thor

Do you consider a 16 yr old a child?

Yes.

[zamler]

I don't feel sorry for the cop one bit, instead of taking responsibility he tries to off himself, way to go ***hole, shame your family then attempt to leave them without a father.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Thor

So lets for a moment believe him that he thought she was of drinking age, the other girl was 17 so for a moment lets play this game.

He thinks he slept with a 18yr old, fine yes gross and especially considering hes a cop with 4 children.

The girl reports this incident much later when shes brought into the police station for something else, then she decides to bust him for it.

Now, had she been 16 at the time, he would not even be charged, and again this is IF its credible he truly believed she was of age (even then its kinda stupid of a police officer to be more interested in finding out her age.)

Since this hes lost his job, his marriage, his kids, his career and attempted suicide when he was charged.

The girl had no idea he was a cop, so not sure how the figure of authority plays into this like it does with teachers, bosses, etc..

You're right, the real problem here is the girl.

Let's play another game.

A 39 year old guy rapes a 15 year old girl and nothing ever happens to him, while the girl spends years and years trying to get over the abuse. He might feel bad about his mistake, or he might use his power to do it again, and again, and again. Your situation has happened about 1 for every 1000 times mine has throughout history.

There's a very easy way to stop all this: Stop sleeping with children. Stop sleeping with people that were very recently children. If you can't understand why you shouldn't sleep with teenagers, seek help. If you aren't mature enough to do that, stay away from everyone.

He deserves his punishment. And for every rapist that gets caught and punished, there is another that walked free.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Thor

Do you consider a 16 yr old a child?

I'f you're 39 with 4 kids of your own, if you don't consider 16 a child, you're a sick f###.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

You're right, the real problem here is the girl.

Let's play another game.

I did say "lets play a game," so yeah I don't for even 1 second think the girl has any blame at all. My question is with the punishment, because I don't think that is as easy to answer as some here are willing to make it out to be.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by OilKiller

LOL...go grab a beer and relax buddy. It was a joke. Wow...

Intelligent Bread doesn't joke or laugh at jokes. He is always vigilant.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Thor

So lets for a moment believe him that he thought she was of drinking age, the other girl was 17 so for a moment lets play this game.

He thinks he slept with a 18yr old, fine yes gross and especially considering hes a cop with 4 children.

The girl reports this incident much later when shes brought into the police station for something else, then she decides to bust him for it.

Now, had she been 16 at the time, he would not even be charged, and again this is IF its credible he truly believed she was of age (even then its kinda stupid of a police officer to be more interested in finding out her age.)

Since this hes lost his job, his marriage, his kids, his career and attempted suicide when he was charged.

The girl had no idea he was a cop, so not sure how the figure of authority plays into this like it does with teachers, bosses, etc..

You should probably read the article more closely.

the victim’s friend suddenly announced “they should be investigating Officer Curtis.”

At one point, Lunski said, one of the girls, noting the way Borel carried himself, asked him directly if he was a cop. He didn’t answer the question, the judge was told, responding instead by repeating her own question and asking: “Are you a cop?”

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Thor

Do you consider a 16 yr old a child?

Don't make the mistake of considering those of a younger age simply "little adults". There is enough scientific material out there for your perusal that shows the differences in brain development at certain ages.

The better question, I feel, would be to ask do you consider her an adult? If you define an adult as having a fully mature brain -- both the intellectual and emotional portions -- then, no, a 16 year old, male or female, would not be considered an adult.

Some links: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0803153121.htm

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-fml090406.php

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...ves-first.html

There are plenty more out there, probably more interesting to read than the ones I linked.

[octothorp]

nm

[puckluck2]

This thread disgusts me.

I don't mind the jokes, but I actually get the feeling there are people in this thread that think what this creep did wasn't so bad.

First off, I don't think the cop is a pedophile or that he goes out looking for children to molest. I believe it was a crime out of opportunity and he will likely never rape a minor again. It was likely just a mistake but lets call it what it was, a sick creepy mistake by a police officer who should have known a whole lot better. The cop got off lightly with the law, but did suffer harsh personal consequences.

I'm just amazed how people are laughing this off making it seem like it's no big deal for a 39 year old police officer taking advantage of a 15 year old kid.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Don't make the mistake of considering those of a younger age simply "little adults". There is enough scientific material out there for your perusal that shows the differences in brain development at certain ages.

The better question, I feel, would be to ask do you consider her an adult? If you define an adult as having a fully mature brain -- both the intellectual and emotional portions -- then, no, a 16 year old, male or female, would not be considered an adult.

Some links: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0803153121.htm

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-fml090406.php

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...ves-first.html

There are plenty more out there, probably more interesting to read than the ones I linked.

If your standard is having a fully mature brain, your not an adult until somewhere between 25 and 30. Really, it doesn't matter if they are adults or not. People around that age are going to act the same way and do the same things by and large, regardless of the laws. The only things the laws change for people in this age group is how many people (not necessarily the teens) become criminals as a result of their actions.