[Signing] Flames sign Jiri Hudler - 4 Years, $16 Million

[Rerun]

Some threads get so far off topic I just stop opening them. Expected to read more stuff about Hudler and all I find is pages and pages of people arguing whether Filppula is better than Cammalleri.

Take it to the Filippula thread please.

[vilzeh]

whats here to read about Hudler? You already know how many years and what the term is just by looking at the threat name. I think Filppula came up here is because he played together with Hudler.

[Tinordi]

Bump:

Here's Kent Wilsons take on Hulder.

http://flamesnation.ca/2012/8/8/the-...is-jiri-hudler

Coles notes:

Hudler very sheltered in Detroit
In those sheltered minutes he didn't put up very impressive numbers
He had an outlying shooting percentage last season
He'll be getting much tougher minutes in Calgary
He'll likely regress his shooting percentage
His points will go down

Final sentence: "Still, there's a non-trivial chance Hudler becomes another Stajan-like disappointment."

Flames away.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Bump:

Here's Kent Nilsons take on Hulder.

http://flamesnation.ca/2012/8/8/the-...is-jiri-hudler

Coles notes:

Hudler very sheltered in Detroit
In those sheltered minutes he didn't put up very impressive numbers
He had an outlying shooting percentage last season
He'll be getting much tougher minutes in Calgary
He'll likely regress his shooting percentage
His points will go down

Final sentence: "Still, there's a non-trivial chance Hudler becomes another Stajan-like disappointment."

Flames away.

Kent WILSON

[HelloHockeyFans]

Remember that time Calgary re-acquired Cammalleri in exchange for Rene Bourque and timbit was arguing that it was a bad trade for the Flames, implying that Bourque was some how better in either value, skill or whatever the hell it was?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Bump:

Here's Kent Nilsons take on Hulder.

http://flamesnation.ca/2012/8/8/the-...is-jiri-hudler

Coles notes:

Hudler very sheltered in Detroit
In those sheltered minutes he didn't put up very impressive numbers
He had an outlying shooting percentage last season
He'll be getting much tougher minutes in Calgary
He'll likely regress his shooting percentage
His points will go down

Final sentence: "Still, there's a non-trivial chance Hudler becomes another Stajan-like disappointment."

Flames away.

There is always a chance he is right but I am going to be optimistic on this one since I still see improvement out of this lineup as a whole.

[JD]

Well that was certainly an interesting in-depth analysis. A lot of those stats are dependent on other things which means I don't know if you can make such conclusive claims as Kent Wilson does in his conclusion.

I'm just going with an old-school analysis and say that the Flames needed more skill in the lineup and Hudler is a skilled guy. They got him at what turns out to be a reasonable price. On July 2 I wasn't sure it was a good price, but after seeing some of the contracts doled out since then, $4M/year ain't bad.

As a whole, the Flames have become less tough, maybe easier to play against, probably less responsible defensively. But they will be faster and transition better. How it all shakes out in the standings will be fun to watch.

[Vulcan]

I don't buy that the Flames needed more skill. They needed more size and toughness. We're turning into a team of smurfs and Hudler doesn't address this at all. I guess if you've got a spare $4M lying around, a Red Wing looks tempting but I don't see him improving the team. I'd have spent another $3M on Doan if you want to throw money around.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I don't buy that the Flames needed more skill. They needed more size and toughness. We're turning into a team of smurfs and Hudler doesn't address this at all. I guess if you've got a spare $4M lying around, a Red Wing looks tempting but I don't see him improving the team. I'd have spent another $3M on Doan if you want to throw money around.

You'd seriously rather pay Doan $7M than pay Hudler $4M?

Doan's "intangibles" and offensive abilities are severely overrated.

[FlyingDonutz]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

You'd seriously rather pay Doan $7M than pay Hudler $4M?

Doan's "intangibles" and offensive abilities are severely overrated.

I agree. He really isn't a good player. For 1200 NHL games, 800 points isn't that great, honestly. It's not bad, per say, but It isn't Iginla, or Selanne for that matter.

I mean, he's never even cracked 80 points.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FlyingDonutz

I agree. He really isn't a good player. For 1200 NHL games, 800 points isn't that great, honestly. It's not bad, per say, but It isn't Iginla, or Selanne for that matter.
I mean, he's never even cracked 80 points.

What an absurd statement. Is he a superstar? No, but he has been WAY better than just good.

Never mind all the other parts of his game, once he is finished playing he will easily be in the top 100 players of all time in points since that is some kind of barometer for you. Thats over nearly a century of NHL hockey as well.

Is he as good as he once was? No. Is he worth 7 million? probably not, though his intangibles on the right team (not the Flames I agree) may be enough to put them over the top.

ANYONE who logs well over a 1000 games at the NHL level is more than a good player, and its ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

[Rasalghul]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

You'd seriously rather pay Doan $7M than pay Hudler $4M?

Doan's "intangibles" and offensive abilities are severely overrated.

I thought that was kinda weird as well. I can't asses hudler yet but I would never want to see the flames pay doan 7 mil

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I don't buy that the Flames needed more skill. They needed more size and toughness. We're turning into a team of smurfs and Hudler doesn't address this at all. I guess if you've got a spare $4M lying around, a Red Wing looks tempting but I don't see him improving the team. I'd have spent another $3M on Doan if you want to throw money around.

Sadly the flames needed both of the bolded part. They got some skill but now need some size and toughness. Can't say that i would want Doan on the team for $ 7million. In my ideal fantasy world Huddler at $3.5 million and Doan at $4.5 million would be ideal. The flames would not have had to sign Stempniak back, which would have freed up more money. But like i said " fantasy world", might as well throw in Crosby for Stajan trade.

[Rasalghul]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Nope. Not good enough.

Cammalleri is on his 5th NHL contract, the most recent being signed after his career high 39G 43A 82P season. Filppula is on his 2nd contract, signed after a 19G, 17A, 36P season. It was a five-year deal, which he's still on.

Comparing cap hits between these two to suggest some sort of expected output is a complete waste of time.

Edit: forgot to bold my numbers for emphasis.

Filpula also plays on a far better team and has better line mates..

[T@T]

Without going threw this thread...who would pay Doan $7M for 4 years?

I know there are some crazy GM's and owners out there but that would border on the mentally handicapped.

The flames have a simular player, 50 point type guy, picks up for a teammate and takes the occasional bad penalty.

But our Doan is over 6 years younger and makes $2.5m

[FlyingDonutz]

Originally Posted by transplant99

What an absurd statement. Is he a superstar? No, but he has been WAY better than just good.

Never mind all the other parts of his game, once he is finished playing he will easily be in the top 100 players of all time in points since that is some kind of barometer for you. Thats over nearly a century of NHL hockey as well.

Is he as good as he once was? No. Is he worth 7 million? probably not, though his intangibles on the right team (not the Flames I agree) may be enough to put them over the top.

ANYONE who logs well over a 1000 games at the NHL level is more than a good player, and its ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

My point was misunderstood, I didn't word it right. He's just overrated. I didn't mean he was a bad player, sorry.

And you'd also think the context of my comment would have brought that out, but still, I'm at fault.

[jroc]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

You'd seriously rather pay Doan $7M than pay Hudler $4M?

Doan's "intangibles" and offensive abilities are severely overrated.

Not to mention that a 32 year old Hudler will look way better making $4M than a 40 year old Doan making $7M

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Bump:

Here's Kent Nilsons take on Hulder.

http://flamesnation.ca/2012/8/8/the-...is-jiri-hudler

Coles notes:

Hudler very sheltered in Detroit
In those sheltered minutes he didn't put up very impressive numbers
He had an outlying shooting percentage last season
He'll be getting much tougher minutes in Calgary
He'll likely regress his shooting percentage
His points will go down

Final sentence: "Still, there's a non-trivial chance Hudler becomes another Stajan-like disappointment."

Flames away.

just who in the blue hell is Kent Wilson, nothing more than a blogger. Kent Nilson quite the misleading header you have there.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

You'd seriously rather pay Doan $7M than pay Hudler $4M?

Doan's "intangibles" and offensive abilities are severely overrated.

I would rather pay neither guy the overpriced contracts but if I had to go with one I would rather overpay Doan who can make a difference on a team than overpay for a meh Hudler.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by T@T

Without going threw this thread...who would pay Doan $7M for 4 years?

I know there are some crazy GM's and owners out there but that would border on the mentally handicapped.

The flames have a simular player, 50 point type guy, picks up for a teammate and takes the occasional bad penalty.

But our Doan is over 6 years younger and makes $2.5m

Wrong. Stajan makes 3.5, not 2.5