I like coming to this forum for different perspectives on news, but fishing through this thread to find news or perspective actually involving the incident has been beyond tedious. Thanks to the posters with some grasp of relevance to the story.
Americans are Canadians and Canadians are Americans
Couldn't disagree more. Not saying if anyone is better, but we are not the same at all. That's just ignorant. As an outsider would you say Japan and China are the same?
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Milton Friedman estimates that the Drug War causes an additional 10,000 homicides per year.
People have asked why the US has so many gun related incidents. I think the War on Drugs is a big reason why. A policy that has ripped the US apart.
From gun running, which the government does too apparently, to easier access to firearms because of the increased size of the black market due to the drug dealing, to the millions of family that have been ripped apart because the parent figure is taken away for stupid 'crimes'....which in turns leaves the children to grow up in an environment where 'crime, drugs, guns, gangs, etc, etc are a REALLY viable option. In certain cases the only option to them.
I know he hates the government. Doesn't mean that he's not right here. 100% right in my opinion.
I like coming to this forum for different perspectives on news, but fishing through this thread to find news or perspective actually involving the incident has been beyond tedious. Thanks to the posters with some grasp of relevance to the story.
I like coming to this forum for different perspectives on news, but fishing through this thread to find news or perspective actually involving the incident has been beyond tedious. Thanks to the posters with some grasp of relevance to the story.
The perspectives in this thread are basically the same perspectives as you will find on any news network. 1) America needs more gun control to prevent nuts from going on killing sprees, 2) America does not need more gun control, this was the act of a lone nut. Not sure you are going to find much more perspective than that on CNN, MSNBC or FOX News. This is not exactly a deep story with a tonne of varying viewpoints. Nobody is going to defend the gunman or anything. The perspectives almost universally are: 1) This was a terrible tragedy, 2) Nothing can be said to defend said tragedy, 3) How do you prevent future tragedies.
As for news stories, google is always a better search engine than some internet opinion forum to find actual news stories.
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Couldn't disagree more. Not saying if anyone is better, but we are not the same at all. That's just ignorant. As an outsider would you say Japan and China are the same?
No we are not the exact same but I think it's safe to say that the average Albertan is a lot more similar to the average person from Montana compared to say a person from New Brunswick.....who in return would probably be more similar to person from Maine.
No we are not the exact same but I think it's safe to say that the average Albertan is a lot more similar to the average person from Montana compared to say a person from New Brunswick.....who in return would probably be more similar to person from Maine.
I get what you're saying but I'm not sure that Montana is the best example. I suspect it would apply better to rural Albertans since city culture is quite different and Montana doesn't really have an equivalent to Calgary or Edmonton.
I get that people in shared geographical regions share many defining features and have had similar challenges historically, but there are many influences that are distinctly Canadian (or American) as well - whether national or provincial - that would be ridiculous to ignore.
The perspectives in this thread are basically the same perspectives as you will find on any news network. 1) America needs more gun control to prevent nuts from going on killing sprees, 2) America does not need more gun control, this was the act of a lone nut. Not sure you are going to find much more perspective than that on CNN, MSNBC or FOX News. This is not exactly a deep story with a tonne of varying viewpoints. Nobody is going to defend the gunman or anything. The perspectives almost universally are: 1) This was a terrible tragedy, 2) Nothing can be said to defend said tragedy, 3) How do you prevent future tragedies.
As for news stories, google is always a better search engine than some internet opinion forum to find actual news stories.
Sorry maybe the word perspective is misleading. How about if i put it like this;
content about the events as more information is released (what i'm skimming for)
vs
grandstanding between two nobodies (what i'm skimming through)
Sorry maybe the word perspective is misleading. How about if i put it like this;
content about the events as more information is released (what i'm skimming for)
vs
grandstanding between two nobodies (what i'm skimming through)
You're on s "discussion forum", not a newsreader....You're gonna have to wade through something eventually.....Why don't you make up a google alert under the killers name and then you can get all the updates you want dumped right into your email inbox?
Dr. Lynne Fenton discussed Holmes with several members of the Behavioral Evaluation and Threat Assessment team in June, about six weeks before he allegedly killed 12 people and wounded 58 in a screening of "The Dark Knight Rises." The team assesses possible on-campus threats.
Despite Fenton's fears that Holmes might be dangerous, the university didn't take any action after the 24-year-old suddenly dropped out of a Ph.D neuroscience program on June 10, ABC News said.
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No we are not the exact same but I think it's safe to say that the average Albertan is a lot more similar to the average person from Montana compared to say a person from New Brunswick.....who in return would probably be more similar to person from Maine.
Fair enough. I agree, but I was responding to a quote that said, "Americans are Canadians and Canadians are Americans." What you're talking about isn't the same at all.
I get what you're saying but I'm not sure that Montana is the best example. I suspect it would apply better to rural Albertans since city culture is quite different and Montana doesn't really have an equivalent to Calgary or Edmonton.
I get that people in shared geographical regions share many defining features and have had similar challenges historically, but there are many influences that are distinctly Canadian (or American) as well - whether national or provincial - that would be ridiculous to ignore.
For the big urban centers that's probably true as I'd consider myself rural for the most part and see it from that point of view although I have lived in both Edmonton and Calgary. I'd also say a province like New Brunswick doesn't have a city that equals Calgary or Edmonton either.
I agree there are distinct Canadian / American qualities , however my point was if an outsider was to meet a typical Maritimer, Albertan , and Montanan and was asked which two were from the same country, I'd bet he'd guess the Montanan and Albertan.
Both countries are so big and diverse, the regional differences are much greater than those provinces and states that are just over the boarder from each other.
Fair enough. I agree, but I was responding to a quote that said, "Americans are Canadians and Canadians are Americans." What you're talking about isn't the same at all.
I see what you were saying now, the "couldn't disagree more" part of your post is what threw me in the other direction.
No doubt, there is definitely distinct Canadian and American qualities that define us, but I do think they are over blown a bit because people look at it through a political view rather than the average Canadian person and average American person.
Because... it is all about the weapon used and not the crazy person.
Violent crimes are growing more common in China. There was a string of knife attacks against schoolchildren across the country in early 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50.
How many more would have been killed and wounded in China, if guns were widely available?
No we are not the exact same but I think it's safe to say that the average Albertan is a lot more similar to the average person from Montana compared to say a person from New Brunswick.....who in return would probably be more similar to person from Maine.
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For the big urban centers that's probably true as I'd consider myself rural for the most part and see it from that point of view although I have lived in both Edmonton and Calgary. I'd also say a province like New Brunswick doesn't have a city that equals Calgary or Edmonton either.
I agree there are distinct Canadian / American qualities , however my point was if an outsider was to meet a typical Maritimer, Albertan , and Montanan and was asked which two were from the same country, I'd bet he'd guess the Montanan and Albertan.
I've never been to Montana, but I grew up in New Brunswick, have spent ample time travelling in Maine, and have lived in Calgary for the last ten years. I can therefore say this with some authority: I've always felt felt much more "at home" in Alberta than I did in Maine. While New Brunswick and Maine may have some similar socio-economic traits, there's something entirely distinct about the people and politics when you cross the border. Despite being much smaller, Saint John and Moncton feel more like Calgary than they do like similarly-sized Maine cities of Portland and Bangor. One tends to notice little differences, and I was always acutely aware that I was in a foreign land while visiting Maine, a sensation I never experienced in Alberta.
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