Shooting at Movie screening of TDKR in Colorado

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

currently, those countries have 135 million people, the US has 311,

So if you add those numbers (355) and even multiply it by 3 that's just over 1000, compared to 11000

It just occurred to me that you may have just been providing what I suggested. I apologize for my snippy remark that I've now erased. It was 110F here today and I'm probably a bit irritable.

Thank you and sorry!

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

a per capita comparison would hold more water.

Using those numbers and 2004 Populations from: http://www.photius.com/rankings/popu...on_2004_0.html


United Kingdom: 60,270,708 = 1 gun death per 825,626 people.
New Zealand: 3,993,817 = 1 gun death per 798,763 people.
Australia: 19,913,144 = 1 gun death per 355,592 people.
Sweden: 8,986,400 = 1 gun death per 242,876 people.
Canada: 32,507,874 = 1 gun death per 176,673 people.
United States: 293,027,571 = 1 gun death per 25,831 people.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

It just occurred to me that you may have just been providing what I suggested. I apologize for my snippy remark that I've now erased. It was 110F here today and I'm probably a bit irritable.

Thank you and sorry!

No problems. Definitely understandable, if it gets over 80 I have to go down to my basement otherwise I start feeling ill.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

It just occurred to me that you may have just been providing what I suggested. I apologize for my snippy remark that I've now erased. It was 110F here today and I'm probably a bit irritable.

Thank you and sorry!

That is nasty, Isn't August typically the warmest month threw your area?

[Mr.Coffee]

I always get uncomfortable reading Canadians pound their chests regardless of topic. I think the very large majority of people (not just Canadians, but everyone), would recognize that the US has many major systemic problems right now. Gun control is one of them. Education is another, so is health care. But I honestly think the majority of Americans know this, it's just that there's nothing they can really do about it.

It seems very "unCanadian" to me, to pound one's chest and speak about how much better our country is because of our much better gun control. It may not be explicitly written in some of these posts that we are superior but it sure seems like it's the tone or the message being presented. It's the exact opposite of what we are supposed to be and the lack of humility is despicable.

The States remind me of my good friend, that clearly has many issues but says he's doing fantastic. So he lives in denial, and while I'd be there for him if he ever needed to actually be honest about himself and fix something, he's busy telling everyone how amazing he is. But I can tell that he knows, deep down, that there are some problems. I kind of empathize for him though, and I sure hope things turn around for him.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by T@T

That is nasty, Isn't August typically the warmest month threw your area?

Yeah, it is.

Last year we had 53 days of 100 or higher, which is a record. So far this year we're at 26. Half way there and 10 straight days forecast 100+ coming up. We sure could use some of that "Cold Canadian Air" that our meteorologists talk about in the winter.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by getbak

Using those numbers and 2004 Populations from: http://www.photius.com/rankings/popu...on_2004_0.html


United Kingdom: 60,270,708 = 1 gun death per 825,626 people.
New Zealand: 3,993,817 = 1 gun death per 798,763 people.
Australia: 19,913,144 = 1 gun death per 355,592 people.
Sweden: 8,986,400 = 1 gun death per 242,876 people.
Canada: 32,507,874 = 1 gun death per 176,673 people.
United States: 293,027,571 = 1 gun death per 25,831 people.

The poster said England and Wales, not the entire UK. Using an estimate of 53 million for the 2004 population for England and Wales it would work out to one gun murder (I'm asuming its only murders) per 726 000.

[MissTeeks]

He was charged with 24 counts of first degree murder, 116 counts of attempted murder, one count of felony possession of explosive devices and one sentence enhancer this morning:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/us/col...html?hpt=hp_t1

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I always get uncomfortable reading Canadians pound their chests regardless of topic. I think the very large majority of people (not just Canadians, but everyone), would recognize that the US has many major systemic problems right now. Gun control is one of them. Education is another, so is health care. But I honestly think the majority of Americans know this, it's just that there's nothing they can really do about it.

It seems very "unCanadian" to me, to pound one's chest and speak about how much better our country is because of our much better gun control. It may not be explicitly written in some of these posts that we are superior but it sure seems like it's the tone or the message being presented. It's the exact opposite of what we are supposed to be and the lack of humility is despicable.

The States remind me of my good friend, that clearly has many issues but says he's doing fantastic. So he lives in denial, and while I'd be there for him if he ever needed to actually be honest about himself and fix something, he's busy telling everyone how amazing he is. But I can tell that he knows, deep down, that there are some problems. I kind of empathize for him though, and I sure hope things turn around for him.

And I totally would think for at least a half second about being empathetic and compassionate to my friend who says everything is ok but clearly has problems.

The problem is, for as long as I can remember he's been a total bully ahole to me and all the rest of his "friends". Even me, who really should be his best friend, because we live next door to each other.

He lived for so long at the top being a total inconsiderate dick to everyone he knew. He was bigger, richer, stronger than they were. Sure he'd help us out if an even bigger bully came along but other than that all he cared about was maintaining the status quo of him being on top and the rest of us dealing with his bullying.

Now that he's finally taking a turn for the worse after being a dick for so long and he wants me to feel sorry for him?

#### that.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The States remind me of my good friend, that clearly has many issues but says he's doing fantastic. So he lives in denial, and while I'd be there for him if he ever needed to actually be honest about himself and fix something, he's busy telling everyone how amazing he is. But I can tell that he knows, deep down, that there are some problems. I kind of empathize for him though, and I sure hope things turn around for him.

I would say this is accurate. And I like Cecil's comparison too. As someone who is a born American but raised Canadian my view is this.

America was the king of high school. He was rich, strong, class president, got all the babes and was the life of all the parties. Despite all this, he was a royal d*** the whole time.

Canada was his friend purely because they grew up next door. America always looked down at Canada, and Canada, although he maintaned being friends with America for social status purposes, was always of the opinion that America is a d***. Canada would tag along to parties and hang out not saying much, but every once in a while America did Canada a favour and got him laid.

Now, a few years out of high school, Canada has used his reputation of being basically the nice version of his more abrasive neighbor has been relatively smart with his money, has used his personal resources to build wealth and prestige and has evened the playing field with America.

America, while still physically strong, has spread himself too thin by pissing off all the gangs without the resources to back all of it up assuming he will recieve help from his "friends" from back in the day to whom he was a d*** to all. He pissed away all his money on stupid crap and nailed every chick trying to prove how much of a big shot he was and now he's in debt to everyone else and has a slew of STDs from the all the skanks he's been tapping.

Now Canada is wealthier, better looking, and relatively disease free. Oh, and also has a lot more space for new friends coming in.

America's time is up IMO. There have been many great empires that have fallen over the years and now I think its America's turn. I hope they find stability, but I dont think they will ever be the dominant force they were from WWI on.

(/rant)

Either way, this whole thing is a terrible tragedy regardless of where it occured. It reminds of the Oslo situation. Its very unnerving when someone just lets loose like that for no reason. For those comparing it to Toronto shootings I would like to quote the Joker:

"If I was to put in the paper that like a gang-banger will get shot, or a truck load of troops will get blown up, no one bats an eye. Because its all part of the plan. But if I say that one little ol' mayor will get shot, the everyone loses their minds!"

Its all about perspective. A gang shooting in TO (or anywhere) is just that, a gang shooting. People expect it. But for a theatre full of innocent people to be shot it by some senseless nut, well its unexpected and therefore, much more terrifying.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

And I totally would think for at least a half second about being empathetic and compassionate to my friend who says everything is ok but clearly has problems.

The problem is, for as long as I can remember he's been a total bully ahole to me and all the rest of his "friends". Even me, who really should be his best friend, because we live next door to each other.

He lived for so long at the top being a total inconsiderate dick to everyone he knew. He was bigger, richer, stronger than they were. Sure he'd help us out if an even bigger bully came along but other than that all he cared about was maintaining the status quo of him being on top and the rest of us dealing with his bullying.

Now that he's finally taking a turn for the worse after being a dick for so long and he wants me to feel sorry for him?

#### that.

Im missing something i think.....how has the US "bullied" Canada?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Bullying can be verbal as well as physical. If you're suggesting Americans don't (or at least didn't) talk down to Canadians, then please explain the nicknames America's Hat and America Jr, or the common phrases "Without sharing a continent with us you'd be obliterated" or "It must be nice to spend nothing on your military because you have us to defend you".

[DementedReality]

wow talk about drama queens (what else is new?) The bashing of USA is one of the worst traits of being Canadian.

Americans are Canadians and Canadians are Americans and their are d!cks in both countries. Canada is not better than the USA, we are all the same brothers and sisters seperated by an imaginary line on a map.

One of the more ugly parts of Canadian culture is not only thinking we are better than Americans but openly insulting the quality citizens who have contributed greatly to our success as a peaceful and prosperous region.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Bullying can be verbal as well as physical. If you're suggesting Americans don't (or at least didn't) talk down to Canadians, then please explain the nicknames America's Hat and America Jr, or the common phrases "Without sharing a continent with us you'd be obliterated" or "It must be nice to spend nothing on your military because you have us to defend you".

So you are saying what the citizens of a country say is what is representative of how the actual government treats its neighbor? As for the bolded part, would you not agree that much is basically true?

And as far as that goes, do you know how much viotrol i have seen and heard directed at the US from Canadians? I guess Canada is no better then.

I also wonder why no response from you on your claim that shootings like the one this thread is based on "only happen in the US" when evidence clearly shows otherwise.

[Azure]

Yeah, I really wouldn't make it THAT complicated.

Yes, the majority of Americans I've met are arrogant, but I still like them. We know they have their own problems, but lets not forget that Canada isn't perfect either.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Well to the bolded part, its not our fault Americans are so insanely paranoid they have to outspend the next 20 countries combined on defense. If we had to spend more, we would, but since we have a crazy cousin who is always concinved someone is coming and thus must spend trillions to keep the boogeymonsters at bay, why waste the money? America overprotectionism is to our benefit.

As to your other part, I said the story of the guy executing the salesman for "trespassing" was an "Only in America" story. Those other things you mention were pre-planned killing events, which obviously can happen anywhere. This was a random execution. Find me a story of something similar (i.e. random person shoots other random person, no planning, completely random). The only thing I can think of thats close is the Greyhound beheading a few years ago, but even then you can go with the insanity claim. Find me a story of someone in London, or Johannesburg or Berlin walking down the street and being executed for really no reason whatsoever.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Find me a story of someone in London, or Johannesburg or Berlin walking down the street and being executed for really no reason whatsoever.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/ju...japa-j23.shtml

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...831074,00.html

Those were found in about 10 seconds.

[Senator Clay Davis]

^Ironically of course the second story still involves Americans. Also, those stories were 4 years apart. Wonder how many times I can find a similar story happening in America in that 4 year window? So yes, sorry I said it can only happen in America. Should have said its highly statistically probable it will happen in America.

[Senator Clay Davis]

God.....Bless....ahhh screw it

A Florida Keys woman known as "Sea Hag" has been charged with fatally shooting a man who refused to give her a beer.

Carolyn Dukeshire, 62, was arrested late Sunday, charged with first-degree murder.

According to the Monroe County Sheriff's Office, Dukeshire shot 64-year-old Martin Mazur five times after Mazur denied her a beer. Casey Whippo, who was with Mazur at the time of the shooting told police they had just returned from dinner to Mazur's house in Conch Key, were sitting outside and had just opened a beer. Dukeshire walked around the side of the house and asked if she could have one, the witness told investigators. When Mazur refused, he said, she opened fire, shooting him in the abdomen, twice in the back and once in the wrist.

After a struggle, she tossed the gun into a canal and sat down before police arrived. Mazur was rushed to Fisherman's Hospital in Marathon, Fla., where he later died.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...155110197.html

Wanted a beer, gave a shot instead.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Well to the bolded part, its not our fault Americans are so insanely paranoid they have to outspend the next 20 countries combined on defense. If we had to spend more, we would, but since we have a crazy cousin who is always concinved someone is coming and thus must spend trillions to keep the boogeymonsters at bay, why waste the money? America overprotectionism is to our benefit.

As to your other part, I said the story of the guy executing the salesman for "trespassing" was an "Only in America" story. Those other things you mention were pre-planned killing events, which obviously can happen anywhere. This was a random execution. Find me a story of something similar (i.e. random person shoots other random person, no planning, completely random). The only thing I can think of thats close is the Greyhound beheading a few years ago, but even then you can go with the insanity claim. Find me a story of someone in London, or Johannesburg or Berlin walking down the street and being executed for really no reason whatsoever.

I don't think they spend more because they're paranoid. They spend because they have a government that loves to spend, and the whole military industry machine that loves making money.