Shooting at Movie screening of TDKR in Colorado

[afc wimbledon]

you dont need a gun to disarm a dude with a knife, a kitchen chair does very well, trust me on that.

Incidently how many of the victims of this stabbing 'rampage' died, 10 or 12 maybe, or more likely none as it is difficult to kill someone with a knife, what with them running away and all

[peter12]

Incidents like this certainly lend credence to either side of the gun control debate. Would someone with a small-caliber handgun have done anything to stop the Aurora shooter? Probably not, given his SWAT get-up. Maybe a well-aimed bullet would have put him down, but let's be honest, more bullets flying would have meant even more people killed. Or maybe it would have scared the killer off? It's hard to say.

Likewise, if there were tighter regulations on assault weapons, body armour, and ammunition would the gunmen have been able to acquire his weapons elsewhere? It's hard to say. Probably not for the almost ridiculously low prices that he paid for them on the internet.

The real issue is psychological safety. Mass shootings like Aurora have a huge impact on psychic well-being. They are random, most likely driven by deep-seated, and untreated psychological or neurological disorders. They also strike in places where we are supposed to feel safe. They are senseless. Most of all, they are evil. The gunmen inflict enormous amounts of pain for no real emotion, political, or social purpose. They just kill. Victims have to wait to be saved, and there is something demeaning about that.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Iginla

This was a rare time carrying a gun on you worked out for the best.

This is the exception, not the rule.

Guarantee you statistics show that the gun the guy had on him is more likely to be stolen and used in a crime than for it to be used in a situation like in the story.

It's not "rare". I posted another video in this thread where a 71 year old man shot two armed robbers at an internet cafe. We also had a thread recently where a single mom blasted a man trying to break into her home in broad daylight. I've also posted various stats on how many gun defense actions occur in the U.S. every year. Hint - even conservative estimates place gun defense at a far, far higher rate then homocide.

Interestingly, Aurora Colorado has strict handgun laws. I can't help but wonder if lives could have been saved if one or two guys in the movie theater had been carrying.

Speaking of the Aurora shooting ......did they figure out who let Holmes into the emergency fire door?

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

It's not "rare". I posted another video in this thread where a 71 year old man shot two armed robbers at an internet cafe. We also had a thread recently where a single mom blasted a man trying to break into her home in broad daylight. I've also posted various stats on how many gun defense actions occur in the U.S. every year. Hint - even conservative estimates place gun defense at a far, far higher rate then homocide.

Interestingly, Aurora Colorado has strict handgun laws. I can't help but wonder if lives could have been saved if one or two guys in the movie theater had been carrying.

Speaking of the Aurora shooting ......did they figure out who let Holmes into the emergency fire door?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by peter12

Likewise, if there were tighter regulations on assault weapons, body armour, and ammunition would the gunmen have been able to acquire his weapons elsewhere? It's hard to say. Probably not for the almost ridiculously low prices that he paid for them on the internet.

If James Holmes didn't have access to guns whether legal or illegal, couldn't he have just wired a bomb to himself and blown the place up?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Speaking of the Aurora shooting ......did they figure out who let Holmes into the emergency fire door?

Have you actually read anything about this story, or are you just here to argue for gun rights?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

If James Holmes didn't have access to guns whether legal or illegal, couldn't he have just wired a bomb to himself and blown the place up?

If I am not mistaken, you are actually saying that more lives where saved because he was able to get access to the right type of guns to shoot up the theatre?

[Azure]

He obviously wasn't suicidal. And how would he have planted the bomb inside the theatre without being noticed?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Not really the best argument for gun carrying citizens are a good thing. If this was a gunman being taken down by another gunman, that'd be one thing. But since the crazy guy had a knife, the citizen could literally walk to within 4 or 5 feet of him and shoot him point blank. Going up against someone else with a gun, not a chance in hell would he be able to be in such control. It'd be a lot more random gunfire going on, since I'd assume the citizen would (wisely) take cover rather than simply going up to the crazy and shooting him.

Not saying its a good argument for gun carrying citizens, but I've said many times that you don't necessarily have to shoot someone to stop them from harming you. Simply pointing a gun at them would probably work for most unless they're batshat crazy.

The guy was randomly stabbing people. If he had a gun he would randomly shoot people. Its just a crazy situation to begin with. Adding another gun to to the mix would more than likely just have made it worse.

But it didn't, and because a concerned citizen was carrying that day in that store, they were able to stop the guy.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Azure

He obviously wasn't suicidal. And how would he have planted the bomb inside the theatre without being noticed?

The same way he walked into a theatre with full on riot squad gear, an ar15 with a 100 round drum and a remington 870 pump action shotgun that is longer than my leg?

To me, THAT is the most baffling part of all of this.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Well my guns don't seem to mind at all that they shoot paper only. Thats a really poor statement to say that guns are made for one reason.

No its not. They are designed to kill/injure/inflict damage on living beings. Period. Just because you are shooting paper doesn't mean that's what they are designed for.
You don't need to design a device projecting a bullet at that speed to make a hole in a piece of paper. I highly doubt gun designers/manufacturers are sitting around their meeting rooms saying "we need to make our products better at piercing paper!...The sport depends on it...our last one barely made a dent in that paper!"

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The same way he walked into a theatre with full on riot squad gear, an ar15 with a 100 round drum and a remington 870 pump action shotgun that is longer than my leg?

To me, THAT is the most baffling part of all of this.

I was wondering how he walked in without being seen. But even if he was seen, he probably would have just shot whoever tried to stop him.

I guess he could have just walked into the theatre, planted the bomb, and then left.

[YYC in LAX]

Dane Cook; piece of ####. I've never enjoyed his comedy, and I just think this was low and too soon.

Comedian Dane Cook mocked the Aurora, Colorado theater shooting in his standup act this week that was caught on video obtained by TheDailyCaller.com.

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[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Azure

Not saying its a good argument for gun carrying citizens, but I've said many times that you don't necessarily have to shoot someone to stop them from harming you. Simply pointing a gun at them would probably work for most unless they're batshat crazy.

The guy was randomly stabbing people. If he had a gun he would randomly shoot people. Its just a crazy situation to begin with. Adding another gun to to the mix would more than likely just have made it worse.

But it didn't, and because a concerned citizen was carrying that day in that store, they were able to stop the guy.

You're 100% right that you don't even need to shoot anyone for a gun to be an effective deterent. I'm definitely all for gun ownership, I just want there to be as many controls in place as possible. Most western nations allow gun ownership, they just require intensive checks. Obviously at the end of the day you can't stop crazy people from doing crazy things. What you can do is try and limit the level of damage they could potentially inflict.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Dane Cook; piece of ####. I've never enjoyed his comedy, and I just think this was low and too soon.



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The most offensive thing about Dane Cook is that he has a career in comedy. The guy is the least funny person Ive ever seen.

[Azure]

I suppose you could say that if the guy was stupid enough to take a knife from the store and randomly start stabbing people, imagine how much worse it could have been if he had access to a gun.

Tough to argue with gun control in those terms.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Dane Cook; piece of ####. I've never enjoyed his comedy, and I just think this was low and too soon.



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I'm so happy the guy whose act he stole (Louis C.K.) is a much more successful and much more respected comedian than that clown is. I also can't believe there are still people who think he's funny.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Dane Cook; piece of ####. I've never enjoyed his comedy, and I just think this was low and too soon.



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I think if you think that what a comedian says during a standup routine is newsworthy, you probably didn't get the routine.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Igottago

No its not. They are designed to kill/injure/inflict damage on living beings. Period. Just because you are shooting paper doesn't mean that's what they are designed for.
You don't need to design a device projecting a bullet at that speed to make a hole in a piece of paper. I highly doubt gun designers/manufacturers are sitting around their meeting rooms saying "we need to make our products better at piercing paper!...The sport depends on it...our last one barely made a dent in that paper!"

Do you know that police sharpshooters, military marksmen, future Olympians often get their start in amateur shooting sports like IPSC, IDPA, 3gun matches and such? There is an aspect to accuracy....I'm not sure every gun manufacturer rolls each firearm off the line with the explicit expectation of it to harm/maim individuals...that would be a little over the top wouldn't it? Self or home defense is a very legitimate reason to have a firearm, in places it's legal to so.....hunting and pest control are legitimate reasons to own many rifles in various calibres, and like a car everyone has their own tastes on how they look

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/...RhrWCM9dQ.cspx

"Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith's employee Dorothy Espinoza says, "He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people.""

"Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. "A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith's grabbed him."

By the time officers arrived the suspect had been subdued by employees and shoppers. Police had high praise for gun carrying man who ended the hysteria. Lt. Brian Purvis said, "This was a volatile situation that could have gotten worse. We can only assume from what we saw it could have gotten worse. He was definitely in the right place at the right time.""

Nice....

This must be why non firearm homicides are so low in the US relative to their overall homicide rate, all those people with guns are preventing them. It still does not explain why statistically the US has a much higher rate of gun related homicides relative to their overall homicide rate than any other western country and is only behind 2 or 3 relatively well known violent countries in the entire world.