The Dark Knight Rises: July 20, 2012

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

A roided wrestler with a mullet is a good villain? The only 'decent' bane story was Vegenance of Bane, which showed the origin of him growing up in prison.

What 'right' stories should i be reading?? hahaha

Bane has always been a bit of a second rate villain. Like so many other strength over smarts villains a lot of people find him boring and one dimensional because after super strength there is no depth to the character.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Bane has always been a bit of a second rate villain. Like so many other strength over smarts villains a lot of people find him boring and one dimensional because after super strength there is no depth to the character.

He was the right character to use for this movie. They had already given us two psychological/"intelligent" villains in the first two movies who were Batman's match mentally, but obviously not physically.

They needed to go in another direction this time around, as using the Riddler or Penguin would have ended the same way as the first two.

Bane was able to cause the most destruction of the three, and did best Batman in a fight, so based on that he was the most effective villain. He was a physically imposing villain, and I for one know if I ran into Bane in a dark alley he would scare the #### out of me.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Bane has always been a bit of a second rate villain. Like so many other strength over smarts villains a lot of people find him boring and one dimensional because after super strength there is no depth to the character.

Which is why it's mind bottling why people find the Hulk interesting. Worst super hero ever! no matter how many times he bertuzzi's Thor.

[SuperMatt18]

Bane isn't just strength though, he is also very strong intellectually.

Knightfall is also a very good Story Arc that looks into the character of Bane, regardless of what Bertuzzied tells you.

[cDnStealth]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

He was the right character to use for this movie. They had already given us two psychological/"intelligent" villains in the first two movies who were Batman's match mentally, but obviously not physically.

They needed to go in another direction this time around, as using the Riddler or Penguin would have ended the same way as the first two.

Bane was able to cause the most destruction of the three, and did best Batman in a fight, so based on that he was the most effective villain.

While not as physically imposing, Ra's al Ghul was a good mix of intelligence and physicality. At least skill wise, Ra's had the edge. But I agree that they had to take it in a different direction. Apparently DiCaprio was originally going to play the Riddler but they felt the villain would be too much like Joker.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

He was the right character to use for this movie. They had already given us two psychological/"intelligent" villains in the first two movies who were Batman's match mentally, but obviously not physically.

They needed to go in another direction this time around, as using the Riddler or Penguin would have ended the same way as the first two.

Bane was able to cause the most destruction of the three, and did best Batman in a fight, so based on that he was the most effective villain. He was a physically imposing villain, and I for one know if I ran into Bane in a dark alley he would scare the #### out of me.

I wasn't talking about the movie. I was talking about comic books.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Bane isn't just strength though, he is also very strong intellectually.

Knightfall is also a very good Story Arc that looks into the character of Bane, regardless of what Bertuzzied tells you.

I've heard mixed things about Knightfall. On the one hand I've heard it is a cool concept but on the other hand I've heard it is too long by about half. Gets really stupid and wanders in a lot of places.

And I was under the impression that Bane had never been used as an intellectual in the comics. Once again I'm only really familiar with the more famous Batman stories (Arkham, KJ, Long Halloween, Dark Victory, TDKR, Year One). Maybe more famous is the wrong word but you know what i mean.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Which is why it's mind bottling why people find the Hulk interesting. Worst super hero ever! no matter how many times he bertuzzi's Thor.

Hulk is different because of Bruce Banner. It is all about the juxtoposition of passive, peaceful man and hulking brute.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Hulk is different because of Bruce Banner. It is all about the juxtoposition of passive, peaceful man and hulking brute.

Still a waste of film, and ink and paper. Just terrible.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Bane isn't just strength though, he is also very strong intellectually.

Knightfall is also a very good Story Arc that looks into the character of Bane, regardless of what Bertuzzied tells you.

Fine go and read it! Just don't waste any money on it and rent it from the library.

Not only is Bane a terrible villain, Iron-Bat, Jean Paul Valley makes every batman fan want to rip the comic up.

F this crap!

[trackercowe]

Yeah, I am with Bertuzzied on this one; I remember reading it when it came out and it was nothing great. I liked Bane as an original villain, but it was a typical 90's storyline with too much cartoony BS and a ridiculous plot. If it didn't have the panel of Bane breaking Batman's back no one would even remember it at all.

The same goes with the Death of Superman/Reign of Superman stuff. It gets a lot of attention to this day, but if you actually read the comics, it's really not that good.

I find comics that were written in the 90's to be terrible for the most part in general. Which is probably one of the reasons the industry went to hell at the time. Even Image had better written comics than Marvel or DC.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Yeah, I am with Bertuzzied on this one; I remember reading it when it came out and it was nothing great. I liked Bane as an original villain, but it was a typical 90's storyline with too much cartoony BS and a ridiculous plot. If it didn't have the panel of Bane breaking Batman's back no one would even remember it at all.

The same goes with the Death of Superman/Reign of Superman stuff. It gets a lot of attention to this day, but if you actually read the comics, it's really not that good.

I find comics that were written in the 90's to be terrible for the most part in general. Which is probably one of the reasons the industry went to hell at the time. Even Image had better written comics than Marvel or DC.

The 90s killed off most of the comic stores and almost the comic industry. Not only due to the popularity of good art over good story, but Marvel destroyed the entire industry by publishing 1 comic with 10 different alternate covers for alot of their books.

The only saving grace from the 90's was the creation of the Vertigo comic line by DC.

[YYC in LAX]

Bertuzzied is the best at comics

[cDnStealth]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Bertuzzied is the best at comics

He just needs to change his avatar because it's hard to take any post serious with Francis' face next to it

[Bonded]

7/10 didn't find Bane all that compelling, nor the 'plan'. Felt like 30 mnutes should have been cut or redirected towards a better story

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

Bertuzzied is the best at comics

I'm probably a bit better at giving Brent Sutter Coaching tips.

modest!

[SebC]

Does anyone else find it funny how much the ending of TDKR resembles the ending of

Spoiler!

House?

[iggy_oi]

^^^ first thing I said when the credits started rolling

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Fine go and read it! Just don't waste any money on it and rent it from the library.

Not only is Bane a terrible villain, Iron-Bat, Jean Paul Valley makes every batman fan want to rip the comic up.

F this crap!

I agree with this actually, Jean Paul Valley is pretty terrible.

Knightfall is worth the read just because the Bruce/Bane storyline is worth it, Knightquest is really the useless section, and KnightsEnd is alright but nothing great.

I think this is why there is such mixed opinions on Knightfall. The first part of the Arc is really quite strong, however as you move into Knightquest it becomes pretty bad, and KnightsEnd is average at best.

[Tinordi]

I agree with large portions of this review. Don't agree with his take on Bane. He looks imposing enough.

http://www.listal.com/viewentry/2702323

Really wanted to like the movie but it's mostly a mess with some good one-offs. Who would have thought that Hathaway would be the strongest part of the movie?

Biggest gripe was the twist at the end. It served to just confuse the viewer and draw down the intensity at the climactic showdown between Batman and Bane.

Spoiler!

Instead of being some heightened badass mastermind Bane is reduced to a mere pawn in Thalia's plan and reversed alot of the dialogue during Batman and Bane's first encounter. He says that he was born in the darkness in the prison. Turns out he wasn't. So why was darkness an ally for him? Further was Bane just another goon/hired muscle and was this all Thalia's plan? Just really undercut the main bad guy.

Further, Batman gets beat down by Bane, then they meet again and Batman is hulked up and just flat out beats bane the second round. What a disappointment. Would have been much better to demonstrate that yes, Batman is not Bane's physical equal therefore Batman would have to outsmart Bane to beat him. Would have been a much more satisfying ending and a full rounding out of the Batman character instead of a glorified brawler.

Anyway, I like that Thalia was in the movie I just would have written it differently to show the relationship between the two earlier and to then have conflict between the three characters as the final climax.

Other things I didn't really like. The pacing was really stuttered. After Gotham is sequestered the movie really slows down with no obvious reason why. Bane is largely forgotten about after that until the final showdown further eroding the viewers feelings towards him.

Anyway, I'll give it another chance but pretty mediocre. Too bad.

[Hockeyguy15]

Um Tinordi in the second fight with Bane Batman did outsmart Bane. He targeted Bane's mask which when broken caused Bain to be in so much pain he could not focus on the fight with Batman, that is the only reason Batman beat Bain in the fight. The mast gives Bane analgesic which limits the amount of pain Bane feels from his past and present injuries.

Also it's Talia, not Thalia.