Shooting at Movie screening of TDKR in Colorado

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Why couldn't the entire Westboro Baptist Church have been in that movie theatre that night? Would those that might have survived picketed the funerals of their fallen family?

any church would be good, don't be greedy

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Actually, Colorado does have carry permits, and is used quite widely. The parent company of the theater has a firearms free zone policy enacted years ago, and property rights super cede firearms law and as such you can't take your gun into their premesis.

Feel free to Google "Colorado concealed carry permit" because I can't post links from my phone. Anyone can get the training and Colorado like most states are a "shall issue" state for said permits.

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Open carry is not legal in Colorado outside of your vehicle. If those guys were openly carrying firearms on their hips, they could be arrested for an obvious felony. I would suspect anyone who saw that would call the cops.

The whole point of concealed carry is that nobody sees the weapon.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Azure

Like I said many times before, homicide rates in the US are down to 1950 levels. People just choose to ignore that.

Gun violence is often the result of poverty and social conditions, not the result of gun control. But hey, lets focus on banning those firearms instead of fixing the real problems in the US!

It's not like you can only deal with one issue at a time.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

When you think about it, it seems like he obviously wanted to get caught alive. He was dressed in tons of armour and protection, and even though he obviously was planning this for a while, he chose the theater closest to a police station. I think he'll want to use his trial as a platform, just like the guy from Norway. These people aren't really that crazy, they know exactly what they're doing and are in control of their emotions.

Which is exactly why any kind of 'test' to show whether or not he was sane enough to buy firearms wouldn't have worked. Even an outright ban on guns wouldn't have worked, considering he could have EASILY purchased the firearms on the black market.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It's not like you can only deal with one issue at a time.

Is anyone even attempting to fix the poverty issues? Its been proven time and time again that the War on Drugs and archaic prison sentences for minor drug related incidents have created a nasty environment for many lower class families where there is no 'parent' figure around to look after the kids, so they also resort to crime, gangs and drugs to find their way.

It is an abusive cycle that the US is not even attempting to solve.

People love to blame movies, TV shows, music on a supposedly increasingly violent society, when in fact there is a common trend of overall militarization of law enforcement in the US. Every single day SWAT teams make raids for drug related incidents, often minor in nature. Full out assaults are made using weapons and equipment that no police force should have. The Pentagon has increasingly been outfitting police forces around the US in military style equipment. This has been widely reported. People are talking about gun culture run amok in the US, and NOBODY is looking at these issues. Is the increased militirization of the government from our armed forces($600 billion dollar DoD budget) down to the lowest levels of our local law enforcement leading to a corresponding level of violence in the surrounding culture? A friend of mine asked me that exact question the other day. Crazy theory I know, but damn if you actually think about it.

I'll post the article again about the War on Drugs, and how our local police force is acting like a full out military force.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/15304...gs?page=entire

Just a vicious, vicious cycle. Even the US foreign policy, which is extremely aggressive in nature is contributing to this cycle of violence IMO.

So not as simple as saying 'ban guns.' Not even close. Its way more complicated than that, which explains why people choose to just focus on the 'ban guns' part of it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Azure

Is anyone even attempting to fix the poverty issues? Its been proven time and time again that the War on Drugs and archaic prison sentences for minor drug related incidents have created a nasty environment for many lower class families where there is no 'parent' figure around to look after the kids, so they also resort to crime, gangs and drugs to find their way.

It is an abusive cycle that the US is not even attempting to solve.
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Dude there is over 300 million people in the US. You can't even possibly comprehend how difficult it is to fix poverty in such a large country. Name a country over 50 million that doesn't have poverty issues? It's impossible even in microscopic countries like Canada to corner poverty.

How well is the War on Drugs doing in Canada? It's just as easy here to get your hands on the stuff if not easier than the US. There are no easy solutions for countries of massive population. There just isn't.

[Canuck-Hater]

Not sure if this was mentioned but I thought it was an interesting eyewitness account.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/252...movie-theater-

[Table 5]

semi-related opportunity to learn about dangerous cheese.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Table 5

semi-related opportunity to learn about dangerous cheese.

You can have my non-pastuerized cultured dairy product when you can pry it from my cold, dead hands.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Dude there is over 300 million people in the US. You can't even possibly comprehend how difficult it is to fix poverty in such a large country. Name a country over 50 million that doesn't have poverty issues? It's impossible even in microscopic countries like Canada to corner poverty.

How well is the War on Drugs doing in Canada? It's just as easy here to get your hands on the stuff if not easier than the US. There are no easy solutions for countries of massive population. There just isn't.

You didn't really just ask that did you?

The War on Drugs in a US policy not a Canadian one. It's not only an internal US policy but it has far reaching and intrusive consequences globally. It is a failed, misguided, and morally bankrupt policy. If they spent half a tenth of the money on education and rehabilitation as they do on all the other law enforcement, military, and prison components they do for their War on Drugs, they would actually make a dent in the problem and help the people that need it. But like many programs in the States it's become a bloated bureaucratic mess that fuels jobs and programs that law makers don't want to give up and thus don't wish to really fix.

They do really have a problem with Mexico, I'll give them that, but the problem isn't drugs, its how society, especially theirs, responds to it. Drugs have been around since the beginning of time and will always be around. And not everyone who uses has problems with it either. Not to mention two of the most harmful drugs out there are legal anyway.

They need to figure out a healthier way of dealing with complex issues rather than 'declaring war' on all of them.

I'm glad we don't have a war on drugs and I really wish we wouldn't let the States influence so much of our drug policy.

[Daradon]

Back on topic, I agree about the poverty thing, however this example obviously doesn't fit into that paradigm. But helping to alleviate that would probably bring these numbers down.

However the US policies, especially the Republicans don't really worry too much about helping the low and middle classes. When you've got candidates controlled by corporations, bankers without regulations, and a massive political sideshow distracting everyone with both sides pointing the finger, these people will never get any help.

[Flames_Gimp]

man It really bothers me that he killed a 6 year old girl.. there is no forgiveness for that. I would love to "flick the switch" at this guys execution - where do I sign up?

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Table 5

semi-related opportunity to learn about dangerous cheese.

Full auto weapons are not legal in the US... You have to have a special license and it's not easy to get for those who have a clean record. With not easy I really mean almost impossible.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Full auto weapons are not legal in the US... You have to have a special license and it's not easy to get for those who have a clean record. With not easy I really mean almost impossible.

The fear propaganda train keeps chugging along fueled by the anti's dancing on graves...sad really

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Aleks

The fear propaganda train keeps chugging along fueled by the anti's dancing on graves...sad really

You can say anything you want about those who are against guns in this thread, but to suggest we're "dancing on graves" is so F-in ######ed, it's pathetic.

[Kipperriffic]

25 pages of Gun Control debate. Surprise!

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by flameswin

You can say anything you want about those who are against guns in this thread, but to suggest we're "dancing on graves" is so F-in ######ed, it's pathetic.

Then why is it whenever there is a shooting death the calls for a ban on firearms or baseless restrictions are the first demand made by people? Trust me, happens every time!

[nik-]

Probably because people keep getting shot by weapons people don't need to have.

[North East Goon]

More money needs to be allocated to research and treatment of mental issues. Start at the base of most of these problems, then chip away from there. Too simple?

[Royle9]

Also highly illegal in the U.S (recently a couple were searched @ held for questioning after trying to enter the US with these last week) May have even been charged. ** Severe Choking Hazard **