Shooting at Movie screening of TDKR in Colorado

[KTrain]

My cousin lives in Colorado Springs and went to see TDKR last night. Two guys walked into the theatre with handguns on their hips. The theatre managers and on-duty police officers spoke with them and they left. My cousin was shook up by it. As were many of the people in audience. Not sure what these guys were thinking. </coolstorybro>

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by KTrain

My cousin lives in Colorado Springs and went to see TDKR last night. Two guys walked into the theatre with handguns on their hips. The theatre managers and on-duty police officers spoke with them and they left. My cousin was shook up by it. As were many of the people in audience. Not sure what these guys were thinking. </coolstorybro>

I don't know why your cousin would be shook up by it. Those men were clearly there to protect themselves and other theatre patrons wild west style.

[KTrain]

I think you should be forced to wear a cowboy hat if you're going to carrying a gun in a holster on your hip.

[ranchlandsselling]

The one thought that's been going through my head on this (keeping on the thread topic of gun control), is that gun ownership reminds me of slavery.

At some point in the past it was okay to have slaves. It was almost a right to own a slave. There was nothing wrong with it. Fortunately some people fought to have this changed and society matured.

I think gun ownership falls somewhere along that line of thinking. It's stupid, unnecessary and only in practice because there's some archaic piece of paper stating that it's a right and as such there's a ton of immature grown men and women who feel they have to own guns. Funny that the constitution also included mention of slavery and it's been abolished. Gun ownership should go the way of extreme religion, slavery, lack of women's rights, torture, prejudice (not yet gone), small pox, etc. Things that we as a species are smart enough to get rid of but for some dumb ass reason still manage to fail.

We have pet stores that are banned from selling fluffy, cuddly, cute dogs, health food stores banned from selling ephedrine, liquor stores not selling to under 18/19/21, and we can't ban the sale of a gun from a walmart, or sporting goods store because of some ignorant belief that it interferes with rights.

I wonder if the dead people were given a few options.
1. Ban sale of guns
2. Encourage more guns in the hope that someone would have shot the assailant before they shot you.

Which one would they take?

Fortunately I'm alive and can voice my opinion and know which one I'd take

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Hunting regulations limits the .223 to things smaller than a deer here in B.C. But, I would be suprized if federally they are limited to the range. I hadn't heard that.

The most common use outside of plinking at a range is livestock protection. The .223 is the perfect caliber for coyotes. It is fast enough to catch them and has enough impact to take them down. A .22 will do the job but, more often you will see coyote run off wounded. They are pretty tough animals.

In my corner of B.C. wolves are becoming a problem as well but, in Ontario it appears that wild dogs have also become an issue:

http://suite101.com/article/wild-dog...ntario-a371544

Both being semi-auto and the caliber are important features in combating these threats in rural Canada/US. You don't have to be a farmer either. If you have pets or small children coyotes/wolves/wild dogs/cougars/bobcats are an issue.

Oh for sure. People need to protect their children from wild dogs and bobcats.

In related news, I just installed an anti-aircraft gun on my roof, so I can protect my children from the Luftwaffe.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by ranchlandsselling

The one thought that's been going through my head on this (keeping on the thread topic of gun control), is that gun ownership reminds me of slavery.

At some point in the past it was okay to have slaves. It was almost a right to own a slave. There was nothing wrong with it. Fortunately some people fought to have this changed and society matured.

Although I do disagree with a lot of your post, you've indirectly stumbled upon and mentioned probably one of the largest reasons that people (particularly in the South) will never give up their guns.

There is portions of the population down there who still can't forgive the 'Evil North' for telling them what to do (taking away their slaves).

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Oh for sure. People need to protect their children from wild dogs and bobcats.

In related news, I just installed an anti-aircraft gun on my roof, so I can protect my children from the Luftwaffe.

This doesn't even make any sense. Being sarcastic and rude about things doesn't help anything Rouge.

First of all, you don't have any children. Second of all, you're a Nazi.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Oh for sure. People need to protect their children from wild dogs and bobcats.

In related news, I just installed an anti-aircraft gun on my roof, so I can protect my children from the Luftwaffe.

You're also going to need an 88 for them pesky panzers.

Yeah, I just can't get myself up for defending assault rifles. I have no interest in owning one, I don't see the practical use and I don't see much in the way of historical value.

Maybe, if you want an assault rifle, you should be required to take certification courses, special licensing (and the requisite background check that would require) and 6-8 months wait.

I mean, so what if I don't get my AK-47 until next year. I'm not planning on using it on a time-sensitive subject, right?

Right?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

This doesn't even make any sense. Being sarcastic and rude about things doesn't help anything Rouge.

First of all, you don't have any children. Second of all, you're a Nazi.

Wrong! I have one children.

[shermanator]

Guns aren't toys, they're for family protection, hunting dangerous and delicious animals, and keeping the King of England out of your face.

[tjinaz]

Here is a question.

If these events are increasing what changed?

The gun laws didn't change they have been this way for years and years. semiautomatic pistols, shotguns and semiautomatic rifles have been available for public purchase since they were invented. You can buy the same AR-15 in the 70s as you can now. It looks a little different but still has a big clip and goes boom every time you pull the trigger.

Also the majority of your gun violence happens in areas with pretty strict gun control laws. How is more of that going to stop it? Many members of this board take such pride in applying scientific methods to interpret events, how do you answer this?

Also this story is a bunch of crap or the guys in question were plain clothes police and your cousin should stay home until he feels better and avoid extremely violent movies for awhile.

My cousin lives in Colorado Springs and went to see TDKR last night. Two guys walked into the theatre with handguns on their hips. The theatre managers and on-duty police officers spoke with them and they left. My cousin was shook up by it. As were many of the people in audience. Not sure what these guys were thinking. </coolstorybro>

If cops saw two guys with handguns they would have slapped the cuffs on them as that is illegal in Colorado.

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite.../1251594549010

Colorado allows a person to carry a firearm in a vehicle, loaded or unloaded, if its use is for lawful protection of such person or another's person or property. [C.R.S. 18-12-105(2)] Colorado law also allows a person to possess a handgun in a dwelling, place of business, or automobile. However, you cannot carry the weapon concealed on or about your person while transporting it into your home, business, hotel room, etc. Local jurisdictions may not enact laws that restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon. [C.R.S. 18-12-105.6]

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

Here is a question.

If these events are increasing what changed?

The gun laws didn't change they have been this way for years and years. semiautomatic pistols, shotguns and semiautomatic rifles have been available for public purchase since they were invented. You can buy the same AR-15 in the 70s as you can now. It looks a little different but still has a big clip and goes boom every time you pull the trigger.

Also the majority of your gun violence happens in areas with pretty strict gun control laws. How is more of that going to stop it? Many members of this board take such pride in applying scientific methods to interpret events, how do you answer this?

Also this story is a bunch of crap or the guys in question were plain clothes police and your cousin should stay home until he feels better and avoid extremely violent movies for awhile.

If cops saw two guys with handguns they would have slapped the cuffs on them as that is illegal in Colorado.

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite.../1251594549010

Are these events actually increasing in frequency?

How does one actually measure that?

[tjinaz]

Are these events actually increasing in frequency?

How does one actually measure that?

I honestly don't know. But in reading this thread it certainly seems there is an epidemic of crazy people with weapons that need to be stopped.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Hunting regulations limits the .223 to things smaller than a deer here in B.C. But, I would be suprized if federally they are limited to the range. I hadn't heard that.

The most common use outside of plinking at a range is livestock protection. The .223 is the perfect caliber for coyotes. It is fast enough to catch them and has enough impact to take them down. A .22 will do the job but, more often you will see coyote run off wounded. They are pretty tough animals.

In my corner of B.C. wolves are becoming a problem as well but, in Ontario it appears that wild dogs have also become an issue:

http://suite101.com/article/wild-dog...ntario-a371544

Both being semi-auto and the caliber are important features in combating these threats in rural Canada/US. You don't have to be a farmer either. If you have pets or small children coyotes/wolves/wild dogs/cougars/bobcats are an issue.

The restriction of a firearm such as an ar15 to a range is based primarily on barrel length (although that's not absolute). You can purchase norinco m4's and use them anywhere else a non restricted can be.

And police use the shotguns with slugs, nothing else. It is an accuracy thing nothing else.

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[Aleks]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

If cops saw two guys with handguns they would have slapped the cuffs on them as that is illegal in Colorado.

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite.../1251594549010

Actually, Colorado does have carry permits, and is used quite widely. The parent company of the theater has a firearms free zone policy enacted years ago, and property rights super cede firearms law and as such you can't take your gun into their premesis.

Feel free to Google "Colorado concealed carry permit" because I can't post links from my phone. Anyone can get the training and Colorado like most states are a "shall issue" state for said permits.

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[Aleks]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

I honestly don't know. But in reading this thread it certainly seems there is an epidemic of crazy people with weapons that need to be stopped.

Its fine if you don't like guns. We don't expect everyone to. But can you please stop queuing up the insults as an argument? I'm trying to point out simple facts in a reasonable manner and all you can do is call us all crazy because we have a hobby we love? A little basic firearms understanding and education goes a long way to dispelling myths and misinformation as well as quelling a lot of fear about tools and toys that people irrationally hate. Thanks

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Aleks

The restriction of a firearm such as an ar15 to a range is based primarily on barrel length (although that's not absolute). You can purchase norinco m4's and use them anywhere else a non restricted can be.

And police use the shotguns with slugs, nothing else. It is an accuracy thing nothing else.

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I think police carry shot guns with slugs because the heavy slug drops quickly and won't be a threat after a hundred yards or so. This is ideal in an urban environment. You don't want to accidently kill someone 4 blocks away.

Conservation Officers use rifles for animal control and pistols for mainly human threats.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Oh for sure. People need to protect their children from wild dogs and bobcats.

In related news, I just installed an anti-aircraft gun on my roof, so I can protect my children from the Luftwaffe.

Bobcats eat chickens and family cats. Wild dogs are not a problem where I live so I can't speak to them. Cougars are a risk to family pets, livestock, and children. They even occasionally will take on a human. Coyotes threaten livestock, pets and children. There is only one recorded instant of them killing an adult in Canada. Wolves attack livestock and pets.

The problem in Colorado wasn't the ease in which weapons are had. It is the difficulty of identifying someone who is mentally ill and likely to snap. If he thinks he is the joker he was just as likely to blow something up or torture someone as to do what he did.

[flamingreen]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Its fine if you don't like guns. We don't expect everyone to. But can you please stop queuing up the insults as an argument? I'm trying to point out simple facts in a reasonable manner and all you can do is call us all crazy because we have a hobby we love? A little basic firearms understanding and education goes a long way to dispelling myths and misinformation as well as quelling a lot of fear about tools and toys that people irrationally hate. Thanks

I wouldn't call someone's hate for guns irrational. Plenty of rational reasons someone would hate guns.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I think police carry shot guns with slugs because the heavy slug drops quickly and won't be a threat after a hundred yards or so. This is ideal in an urban environment. You don't want to accidently kill someone 4 blocks away.

Conservation Officers use rifles for animal control and pistols for mainly human threats.

You'll have to forgive me then, I'm only going on information I got when I went through the shotgun training through them