Banning guns won't stop mass killings. The psycopaths will find other ways to kill. (bombs, poisonings, noxious gases) Guns are currently the easier option, but not the only option.
Since Colorado has concealed carry permits, I'm surprised nobody was packing in the theatre and was able to stop this lunatic.
Even if some one was carrying a concealed gun, the combination of the tear gas and the darkness of the theater would make it pretty hard to get off an accurate shot to take out the killer. Chances are you would just be firing blind.
Btw, hell yeah I think there should be a gun in every school. In colleges where students are old enough to carry why not? Under these conditions I think a Virginia-Tech like incident would be alot harder to pull off. Also, statistics show that conceal-carry citizens are the best behaved.
You do realize even the SWAT team didn't enter the campus after they were called in?
I agree with concealed carry for personal defence, but lets not get ahead of ourselves and think it could actually prevent incidents like this.
I agree with the idea that there are certain types of guns that are pointless to sell to civilians. The solution is simple, ban them.
While that idea is kicked around, there is still the black market to try to deal with. lets focus on people who already own guns. While there are alot of responsible gun owners, the fact remains that way to many legally obtained guns get stolen and then distributed to shady people.
The responsibility falls on the owner. Just like we have to register our vehicles every year, perhaps gun owners should have to register their fire arms every year. If they are unable to show that they still own the fire arm and it was stolen from them, then they should face huge fines.
I know, some of you might have just been enraged by what I said, gun registry blah blah blah. But if you really love having your gun and use any argument to justify having it, then suck it up princess. I value the saftey of my family over the enjoyment of you shooting at beer cans.
Unfair? Perhaps, but its gun owners responsibility to take every step to ensure that no one but they have access to that fire arm.
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This incident could have resulted in a mass shooting...instead everyone survived and the two thugs were wounded and arrested....and if the thugs died from the shots ......oh well.
Btw, hell yeah I think there should be a gun in every school. In colleges where students are old enough to carry why not? Under these conditions I think a Virginia-Tech like incident would be alot harder to pull off. Also, statistics show that conceal-carry citizens are the best behaved.
The police can not and will not protect you. They just show up in the aftermath to clean up and figure out who to charge.
1. Your example of responsible gun ownership is a guy that started shooting in an area filled with people, on people who were running away firing out the door - the risk of an accident happening in that situation is unbelievably high. If the "thug" dies, I do agree that is one of the risks he runs but at the same time if someone walking by on the street at the time catches one because batman decides to start firing out the door at random people would you change your tune?
2. So in a high school you would be in favour of there being guns around just in case something happens, but only if the student is 18?
3. I would love for you to show me the statistics on how people who have weapons are the best behaved - whatever that even means?
4. So the answer is for more guns to protect you from guns? I thought it was to protect them from the British, not each other... but the only way to protect someone from a lot of guns is to put more guns on the street for everyone to have one.
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I find it disturbing that the guy bobby trapped his home in a way that was apparently 'designed to kill'....and nobody seems to care where he got THOSE materials from.
I'm sure the police care and will try and figure it out.
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A homemade device is pretty easy to build with basic materials. I think its more disturbing he can buy all that protectionary gear, like the vest and riot helmet. The only reason you'd need something like that is for a combat like situation, and outside of war, it's pretty difficult to assume you'll ever be in such a situation to need that stuff.
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I find it disturbing that the guy bobby trapped his home in a way that was apparently 'designed to kill'....and nobody seems to care where he got THOSE materials from.
I am concerned where he got all of the materials from from whatever explosives are in his house to the ammunition that he was somehow able to order online - which seems like an absolutely massive issue in itself. The fact of the matter is that it is apparently way to easy to get everything required for a mass murder with a few clicks of the mouse.
I find it disturbing that the guy bobby trapped his home in a way that was apparently 'designed to kill'....and nobody seems to care where he got THOSE materials from.
These "other things kill people so you guys are ridiculous for focusing on guns" responses from the gun nuts in this trhead are getting out of hand.
Like seriously, "materials". Think about that for a second. You're comparing a bunch of random materials that the guy used to booby trap his home to guns.
What is it you want them to do? Ban all the random "materials" he used to booby trap his home?
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This incident could have resulted in a mass shooting...instead everyone survived and the two thugs were wounded and arrested....and if the thugs died from the shots ......oh well.
Btw, hell yeah I think there should be a gun in every school. In colleges where students are old enough to carry why not? Under these conditions I think a Virginia-Tech like incident would be alot harder to pull off. Also, statistics show that conceal-carry citizens are the best behaved.
The police can not and will not protect you. They just show up in the aftermath to clean up and figure out who to charge.
This was seriously a one in a million incident. All the stories I have read, and I could probably find the statistics to back it up, show that having a second gun escalates and muddies the situation more often than it fixes it.
There's countless stories about people shooting family members at home thinking they were intruders. Things just don't end up like this video very often. They end up worse. They either provoke the attackers into using their guns, or someone innocent person gets hit in the crossfire.
Secondly, most people don't want to carry guns with them. I have enough to worry about at school or work, I don't need to have a weapon hanging out of my pants.
A homemade device is pretty easy to build with basic materials. I think its more disturbing he can buy all that protectionary gear, like the vest and riot helmet. The only reason you'd need something like that is for a combat like situation, and outside of war, it's pretty difficult to assume you'll ever be in such a situation to need that stuff.
Well the gear doesn't harm anyone. So that isn't a threat. But apparently he had over 30 bombs setup in his home. Then he played loud music to try and lure people in. Just crazy.
The idea that pistols couldn't have caused this much damage is probably not true. Rather than spend $1500 or something on an AR-15, if he'd just had 4 Glocks, that could be 80+ rounds without any reloading. In a crowded movie theater where you can hardly miss, that could have been just as bad.
As much as the discussion in here focuses on semi-auto rifles, that's not where bans would start anyway. Pistols have generally been the first things banned, since its a lot harder to stash a rifle in your jacket or pocket, and hunters don't generally use handguns.
Also, the whole idea of a ban on guns in the US is just fantasy anyway. If all guns magically disappeared from the US, would the murder rate go down? Absolutely. Is there a way to make millions and millions of guns disappear? Of course not. Trying to disarm this country would almost certainly result in a civil war. I'm a big believer in gun control myself, but I would always argue that the founding fathers intended for an armed populace to prevent monarchy from breaking out in the US.
So I guess I feel like there's really no reason to even debate a gun ban, because it has basically zero chance of happening. The key is identifying people with mental illness, and preventing them from acquiring firearms. That's obviously easier with some folks than others...
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I find it disturbing that the guy bobby trapped his home in a way that was apparently 'designed to kill'....and nobody seems to care where he got THOSE materials from.
Tell me what those 'materials' are and I'll tell you if I'm concerned. Is there any real information out on that yet?
The idea that pistols couldn't have caused this much damage is probably not true. Rather than spend $1500 or something on an AR-15, if he'd just had 4 Glocks, that could be 80+ rounds without any reloading. In a crowded movie theater where you can hardly miss, that could have been just as bad.
As much as the discussion in here focuses on semi-auto rifles, that's not where bans would start anyway. Pistols have generally been the first things banned, since its a lot harder to stash a rifle in your jacket or pocket, and hunters don't generally use handguns.
Also, the whole idea of a ban on guns in the US is just fantasy anyway. If all guns magically disappeared from the US, would the murder rate go down? Absolutely. Is there a way to make millions and millions of guns disappear? Of course not. Trying to disarm this country would almost certainly result in a civil war. I'm a big believer in gun control myself, but I would always argue that the founding fathers intended for an armed populace to prevent monarchy from breaking out in the US.
So I guess I feel like there's really no reason to even debate a gun ban, because it has basically zero chance of happening. The key is identifying people with mental illness, and preventing them from acquiring firearms. That's obviously easier with some folks than others...
I actuallly am not sure about this, the one thing that is true of the US is every 20 or 30 years they, as a country, freak out about something and go bat #### crazy, I suspect the net effect of the NRA stopping any kind of reasonable limitations and an increasingly isolated net socialised nation who I think might be more prone to creating these kind of crazies may well be that in a decade or two the US will suddenly and massively swing over to the prohibition side completely as a reaction to these incidents.
How would it work? The police just go door to door asking for people to hand over all of the 200+ MILLION guns in the country? Then X-ray people's houses to double check? Then in addition to the super successful war on drugs, we'd have a war on guns?
How would it work? The police just go door to door asking for people to hand over all of the 200+ MILLION guns in the country? Then X-ray people's houses to double check? Then in addition to the super successful war on drugs, we'd have a war on guns?
It doesn't happen over years, it happens over generations. You change laws to prevent new gun proliferation and then you give it time. You have to eliminate the gun culture by removing this bull#### "we all should have guns" entitlement reinforced by the gun control system. Canada still has 30 guns per 100 people which, while not even close to the US ratio, is nothing to scoff at.
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How would it work? The police just go door to door asking for people to hand over all of the 200+ MILLION guns in the country? Then X-ray people's houses to double check? Then in addition to the super successful war on drugs, we'd have a war on guns?
First you would have to re write the constitution to get rid of the second amendment. Once that is done you would go right into the civil war. As the bulk of the LEOs and military are pretty much on the side of the gun folks... good luck with that.
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It doesn't happen over years, it happens over generations. You change laws to prevent new gun proliferation and then you give it time. You have to eliminate the gun culture by removing this bull#### "we all should have guns" entitlement reinforced by the gun control system. Canada still has 30 guns per 100 people which, while not even close to the US ratio, is nothing to scoff at.
You are right but I think it is going the other way. I am totally stereotyping but it seems to me that the folks that are into guns and such are reproducing at a pretty good rate and those that are against comprised most of the DINK crowd and will be vastly outnumbered in the future. I don't honestly think you can get rid of this "gun culture" from the US. It is a fundamental part of the country. When your history starts with a civilian based armed rebellion and is celebrated how does it not? It is one of the primary differences between the US and Canada. We didn't like what was going on so we took up arms and fought against it where you waited 100 years and made a deal.
Not legally. The only legal "purpose" of a civilian owning a AR-15 type weapon in Canada is for target shooting, one could make the argument for protection but I don't want to get into that quagmire.
The benefit to the shotgun if memory serves me correct is that there is less chance of a round sprawling but that is just me talking out of my ass on that part.
Hunting regulations limits the .223 to things smaller than a deer here in B.C. But, I would be suprized if federally they are limited to the range. I hadn't heard that.
The most common use outside of plinking at a range is livestock protection. The .223 is the perfect caliber for coyotes. It is fast enough to catch them and has enough impact to take them down. A .22 will do the job but, more often you will see coyote run off wounded. They are pretty tough animals.
In my corner of B.C. wolves are becoming a problem as well but, in Ontario it appears that wild dogs have also become an issue:
Both being semi-auto and the caliber are important features in combating these threats in rural Canada/US. You don't have to be a farmer either. If you have pets or small children coyotes/wolves/wild dogs/cougars/bobcats are an issue.
