Shooting at Movie screening of TDKR in Colorado

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its been proven many times that strict gun control does nothing but prohibit law abiding citizens from purchasing firearms. It might have kept this person from purchasing a firearm, but we really don't know that. He obviously went insane, but at the same time planned his rampage. At least that is what I'm getting from the news reports.

I own firearms, and use the safety. All of them are hunting rifles or shotguns. Should I be punished because somebody went insane? I don't think that's fair.

I'm not sure how you can prevent something like this, but I do know that more education and gun safety courses can prevent a lot of accidents. But a rampage? I'm not so sure. This guy was a med student. You don't get there without being smart.

I think the problem in the US is not that every citizen has access to guns, its that every citizen damn near has a gun, what seperates most developed countries from the US is that even though their citizens have access to guns, they have to jump through enough hoops and the process is onerous enough to deter any one that doesn't have a specific need to have one, this doesn't stop the occasional wack job from popping off such as in Norway or Dumblaine, but in the rest of the world it is rare that a nut job has access as they do tend to get weeded out or just give up, it also has the added effect that by lowering the level of casual ownership it makes the whole idea less alluring when someone is breaking from reality, these kind of incidents tend to grow on each other, one wacko pops off and 5 other borderline wackos watch and think 'wow thats a good idea'.

The US is also tremendously affected by the lack of general access to healthcare as it is generally these border line personality nutters that get picked up here for muttering to themselves or storing urine in the basement, here they get dropped into a less than perfect but at least functioing system that treats and tracks them.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Soooo...every firearm? My rifles and pistols get used vs paper. Most in the world do. Every now and then one crazy doesn't and it gives you cause to paint all of us with the same brush. MILLIONS of firearms in possession of people.

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Are you really asking us to weigh the value of your hobby, shooting firearms at paper targets, against the value of the thousands of lives that are lost every year to firearm violence?

[jayswin]

Can we get this clown to stop posting in this damn thread, already?

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Tell. Me. How.

That's the point you're missing. One firearm is functionally equally deadly if misused than the next. They all do the same thing. Point, pull, bang. If you would like to be familiarized or an introduction to firearms I'm more than happy to oblige. A lack of understanding equals fear and discomfort. My only fear and discomfort is that there are people like the accused that are running around every day. I deal with them at work, and yes I am an expert

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Right, and in the States they have access to highly efficient killing machines, with which they can very rapidly kill and wound a theatre full of people.

That's kind of the point here, not an education on the differences between handguns and assault rifles.

[Phanuthier]

I apologize for bringing that dumbass into the thread. I should have known better. Sorry.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by troutman

You are jumping all over the use of the term "assault rifle". I am not a gun expert. Forget about that. My point was not about a technical weapon classification.

Some guns are more destructive than others, and should be regulated differently. That is my theory.

Im not sure it is even that assualt weapons are more deadly, its that they attract people to own them that shouldn't have them, they are the pit bull of guns, a pit bull isn't and worse or better than any other breed in the right hands, its just the mystic of it attracts complete morons to own them for no better reason than it makes them look tough, same with assault guns, they are bugger all good for anything outside the military therefore the desire to own one, purely because it looks 'well hard' should automatically prove the applicant is a moron and shouldn't have a gun.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Are you really asking us to weigh the value of your hobby, shooting firearms at paper targets, against the value of the thousands of lives that are lost every year to firearm violence?

Yes...I am. Better take away my motorcycle too! And you can't use stats if they aren't accurate, Canada does not have thousands of lives lost to firearms violence every year. In fact firearms violence accounts for nearly the least amount of deaths of all violence inclusively. Don't throw out big numbers for emotional value on your argument.

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[Aleks]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Right, and in the States they have access to highly efficient killing machines, with which they can very rapidly kill and wound a theatre full of people.

That's kind of the point here, not an education on the differences between handguns and assault rifles.

Listen. There are 3 kinds of firearms. Pistols, rifles, and shotguns. That's it. Please stop using a media propaganda coined term to make something seem scary....

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[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Listen. There are 3 kinds of firearms. Pistols, rifles, and shotguns. That's it. Please stop using a media propaganda coined term to make something seem scary....

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At the vert least, will you please go into your god damn settings and change them so we don't have to see "Sent from my Galaxy using Tapatalk2" after every post full of drivel? Please and thank you.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Aleks

While we are at it should we restrict the public use of cars? They kill people way more often.....or what it he had gone and killed people with a kitchen knife? Should they be banned?

Originally Posted by Aleks

I'll come by to confiscate your automobile immediately. If it only saves one life. Reasonable hey? Liberals make my head hurt

Originally Posted by Aleks

Yes...I am. Better take away my motorcycle too! And you can't use stats if they aren't accurate, Canada does not have thousands of lives lost to firearms violence every year. In fact firearms violence accounts for nearly the least amount of deaths of all violence inclusively. Don't throw out big numbers for emotional value on your argument.

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You know you're treading on a baseless argument when this is the best you can come up with.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I apologize for bringing that dumbass into the thread. I should have known better. Sorry.

I seem to be the only person here who has real functional knowledge of firearms here, and you're upset because I'm contesting the emotional bleating and nonsense arguments against firearms ownership? Give your head a shake!

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[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by flameswin

At the vert least, will you please go into your god damn settings and change them so we don't have to see "Sent from my Galaxy using Tapatalk2" after every post full of drivel? Please and thank you.

Sadly thats the least annoying part of his posts

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Listen. There are 3 kinds of firearms. Pistols, rifles, and shotguns. That's it. Please stop using a media propaganda coined term to make something seem scary....

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You don't believe machine guns are firearms?

[ResAlien]

I'd like to thank both the staunch anti gun and hardcore pro gun members here for enlightening all of us here to the real issue at hand: pissing contests between your respective groups about gun control. Thank you for your sensitivity, tact an overall compassion in the wake of this horrible tragedy.

If anyone wants actual updates on this story google 9news Denver or go to Denverpost.com

Sorry, carry on.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Aleks

I seem to be the only person here who has real functional knowledge of firearms here, and you're upset because I'm contesting the emotional bleating and nonsense arguments against firearms ownership? Give your head a shake!

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For the record, I held a membership to a local firing range for 3 years. I still go from time to time.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Listen. There are 3 kinds of firearms. Pistols, rifles, and shotguns. That's it. Please stop using a media propaganda coined term to make something seem scary....

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And within those kinds of firearms are other subsets, like automatic, semi-automatic, pump action, air compressed etc...

[LouCypher]

Another approach to play devils advocate on the gun issue...what if all lethal type bullets and ammunition was banned to all those who dont need to potentially kill someone or something in self defense. Hunters may have an issue obviously so maybe you regulate their ammunition in a certain way. Everyone else can stick to rubber bullets, pellet guns and paint ball. I know this is probably not all that simple, but its another approach.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by opendoor

You know you're treading on a baseless argument when this is the best you can come up with.

Tell me how I'm baseless. Please

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Because you won't argue using fact? Because what I'm saying is right?

It's probably because you're coming off as an insensitive jerk who would rather preserve his hobby than protect innocent lives. And, before you go off all half-cocked, I am also an insensitive jerk. However, I know when to pick my battles.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

You don't believe machine guns are firearms?

Subset of rifle. Fully automatic action rifle would be appropriate.

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