Shooting at Movie screening of TDKR in Colorado

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I don't know if either would help. People like this ... I don't know if its a matter of history, upbringing or education. I know of a guy who was a graduate student in engineering, his father was a executive in a big banking firm, soft spoken and presented professionally and well (though a little shy) that went out to a public place and started shooting. The unfortunate thing is, its hard to identify who is allowed to have a gun and who is not (esp the constitution?) With apologies to gun enthusiasts, I would say... the general population should not be allowed to have a gun. I know its a hobby or collection or past time for most, but I think something that has to be forgone for the sake of society.

Its been proven many times that strict gun control does nothing but prohibit law abiding citizens from purchasing firearms. It might have kept this person from purchasing a firearm, but we really don't know that. He obviously went insane, but at the same time planned his rampage. At least that is what I'm getting from the news reports.

I own firearms, and use the safety. All of them are hunting rifles or shotguns. Should I be punished because somebody went insane? I don't think that's fair.

I'm not sure how you can prevent something like this, but I do know that more education and gun safety courses can prevent a lot of accidents. But a rampage? I'm not so sure. This guy was a med student. You don't get there without being smart.

[Lobotroth]

Rob Ford's brilliant plan to reduce gun related crime in Toronto:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...-rob-ford.html

"I don’t care if you’re white, pink or purple," he said. "I don’t care what country you're from. I don't care if you’re a Canadian citizen or not. All I’m saying is if you’re caught with a gun and convicted of a gun crime, I want you out of this city."

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its been proven many times that strict gun control does nothing but prohibit law abiding citizens from purchasing firearms. It might have kept this person from purchasing a firearm, but we really don't know that. He obviously went insane, but at the same time planned his rampage. At least that is what I'm getting from the news reports.

I own firearms, and use the safety. All of them are hunting rifles or shotguns. Should I be punished because somebody went insane? I don't think that's fair.

I'm not sure how you can prevent something like this, but I do know that more education and gun safety courses can prevent a lot of accidents. But a rampage? I'm not so sure. This guy was a med student. You don't get there without being smart.

There are tons of people I know in med school / residency that aren't that smart.

[Schultzie]

Originally Posted by jaydorn

I don't consider myself to be a dumb person, I went to college, I've handled complex projects and I've even managed to find elegant solutions to seemingly large convoluted challenges in life... but lord help me, I just can't make sense of what constitutes "terrorism".

I think it's any form/degree of mental or physical abuse directed towards white people. As long as it isn't being dished out by another white person, of course. And it must come from someone lower in the social hierarchy than the victims.

That's the best I've got.

[vektor]

Originally Posted by Azure

I'm not sure how you can prevent something like this

educate instead of stigmatizing the public about mental health issues that's how. Everybody clamoring for this guys torture, death and rape in prison are only confounding the issue. It inflames the issue by isolating the mentally ill. In this guys case it was probably megalomaniacal, psychopathic and consciously done. In all likelihood he was fully aware what he was doing but did it to make himself a pariah on a global scale.

First thing to do would be to make it a point that this guy will get zero press, make an example not with vengeance but by hiding his identity, it would deter others from sacrificing themselves if their goal is to get themselves famous. The megalomaniac narcissists that commit acts like this (e.g BTK killer) often do things to get the interest of the police just to gain attention, I guarantee this kid is enjoying every minute of this. Stop making hollywood movies about serial killers, educate people about mental disorders instead of demonizing people like this guy in the media.

[zunie75]

Originally Posted by Azure

Anyone who purchases a firearm should have a background check done, and there should be a license required that proves that the person buying the firearm went through an extensive safety course.

More than anything, they should have to go through a freaking psychological test. The thing with back ground checks is that every one has had clean slate at one point, and extensive license testing and courses, well any one can pass a test if they try hard enough.

But you never know whats really happening in a person mind until they snap.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I don't think its unreasonable to require gun owners to undergo yearly psychological evaluations. Guns just have too much instant destructive power to simply give to an individual after only a background check and assume the gun will only be used for self-defence.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Azure

Anyone who purchases a firearm should have a background check done, and there should be a license required that proves that the person buying the firearm went through an extensive safety course.

That being said, this guy was a med student. He is obviously smart, so passing an extensive gun safety course wouldn't be a problem. Unless there is something we don't know, the background check wouldn't have kept him from purchasing the firearm either.

Do we even know where he got the AK-47 from? There is a huge black market in the US, with drug cartels selling drugs and firearms in literally every single city in the US. How will any kind of gun control or gun law stop that?

Its the same issue with the Mayerthorpe shootings. We had a gun registry in place, we have tighter gun control, we have a strict buying process, and it still didn't help. Because at the end of the day, you can't regulate people from going insane. And that is exactly what happened here.

Flawed logic. Just because preventative measures don't work all the time, doesn't mean they don't work most or some of the time.

[Drake]

Jessica Ghawi's brother wrote this blog, however I'm not going post the whole thing he wrote because of how sad it really gets after what he wrote in the piece I quoted. However the guy Jessica was with is a hero.

Jessica and Brent were seated in the middle portion of the theatre when a device was thrown into the theatre that produced a “hissing” sound. The theatre than began to fill with smoke which is when patrons began to move from their seats. At that time, shots were fired. Brent and Jessica immediately dropped to a prone position for cover. Jessica advised multiple times for someone to call 911, which Brent immediately attempted to do.

http://www.jordanghawi.com/denver-th...jessica-ghawi/

[Mango]

Originally Posted by Drake

Jessica Ghawi's brother wrote this blog

Damn What else can one say after reading that?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Seeing as this guy is a former med student, I think they should try out as many exceptionally dangerous trial drugs as possible, use this guy instead of the rats, since I'd put him below a rat at this point.

[Phanuthier]

Sorry didn't mean to hi-jack the thread, just wanted to put in a passing thought. I don't want to turn this into a debate, I know others will disagree and want to keep their guns hobby.

[zunie75]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its been proven many times that strict gun control does nothing but prohibit law abiding citizens from purchasing firearms. It might have kept this person from purchasing a firearm, but we really don't know that. He obviously went insane, but at the same time planned his rampage. At least that is what I'm getting from the news reports.

If it works just that one time, then its a success. Thats 14 people who would still be alive, and countless others who would be spared suffering. Same goes for other cases of American massacres like Virginia Tech and Columbine.

An out right ban on any gun not used for hunting is the only way to go. All the people who say that having a gun as self defense need to re think that.

I would speculate that there are far more cases of peoples legally obtained fire arms being stolen then re-sold and then used in violent crimes than there are of some guy grabbing his gun and chasing a theif away.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by troutman

2) No civilian needs an assault rifle.

Care to define an assault rifle? Does a pistol calibre carbine count? If so does it shoot projectiles any differently than my handgun? If not why should it be any different? I'm sorry but this rationale is plain absurd every time its brought up. A firearm is a firearm, they all do the same thing and they all have the same potential lethality in the hands of somebody who shouldn't have a gun. Placing them into groups is plain ignorant of facts and does nothing to solve the problem of the INDIVIDUAL owning the gun. That AK47 fires the same round in the same direction delivering it on target the same way as my sks or any other .308/7.62x39 calibre firearm. So what makes it more dangerous??

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[MissTeeks]

People are really freaking dumb sometimes. On Twitter an hour ago:

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How bloody dumb are you to post this?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Well hopefully Celeb Boutique enjoys watching their sales plummet. At least I hope they plummet.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Aleks

Care to define an assault rifle? Does a pistol calibre carbine count? If so does it shoot projectiles any differently than my handgun? If not why should it be any different? I'm sorry but this rationale is plain absurd every time its brought up. A firearm is a firearm, they all do the same thing and they all have the same potential lethality in the hands of somebody who shouldn't have a gun. Placing them into groups is plain ignorant of facts and does nothing to solve the problem of the INDIVIDUAL owning the gun. That AK47 fires the same round in the same direction delivering it on target the same way as my sks or any other .308/7.62x39 calibre firearm. So what makes it more dangerous??

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Do you think 71 people shot, including 12 dead, could have happened with just hand guns?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

Possession of functional assault rifles by civilians is illegal in most nations, but there are a few notable exceptions

[Dorkmaster]

Absolutely sickened and disgusted reading what happened today. I can't imagine how those families feel.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its been proven many times that strict gun control does nothing but prohibit law abiding citizens from purchasing firearms. It might have kept this person from purchasing a firearm, but we really don't know that. He obviously went insane, but at the same time planned his rampage. At least that is what I'm getting from the news reports.

I own firearms, and use the safety. All of them are hunting rifles or shotguns. Should I be punished because somebody went insane? I don't think that's fair.

I'm not sure how you can prevent something like this, but I do know that more education and gun safety courses can prevent a lot of accidents. But a rampage? I'm not so sure. This guy was a med student. You don't get there without being smart.

Also, just a note on this..... the masters engineering guy I knew who went out shooting, he did not go insane. I knew him quite well. I understand its unfair that you won't be allowed to own firearms, but it would have saved a few lives. The guns were not acquired on the street or anything like that, it was bought over the counter. Not sure what your priorities are... just my opinion, I think preventing this from happening a few times at the cost of livelihood is acceptable. I know some will disagree.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

Possession of functional assault rifles by civilians is illegal in most nations, but there are a few notable exceptions

I'm sorry but that is weak. Continue to convince me that that is any different than any other semi auto rifle, functionally not cosmetically. Does color define an assault rifle? A pistol grip handle? Because again they all go bang when you pull a trigger, so you have me confused. Assault rifle is a word the media has latched on to in an effort to scare people like you into thinking there is a different breed of gun out there more dangerous to the public than anything, mission accomplished....

While we are at it should we restrict the public use of cars? They kill people way more often.....or what it he had gone and killed people with a kitchen knife? Should they be banned?

I'm not trying to detract from the tragedy, because it truly is a sad day for all the victims and families, but misguided anger at a tool is incorrect. Let's treat the root cause of mental illness rather than cries of taking away legal gun owners property

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