Smoking with kids in the car

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Locke

I said this before when this topic came up:

These people are non-seatbelt people, they have kids, they have cars, whatever, this is a lifestyle and a pattern for them.

Do you honestly believe that a ticket from bylaw is going to change absolutely anything? Anything at all?

That ticket will provide them with their epiphany moment where they stop smoking and find Jesus?

You would probably achieve more with a very casual:

"Dude, wear your deat belt, it is safer. Dude...."

Than you ever would with some roundabout business with child services, bylaw and God only knows whomever else.

FYP and time travelled back about 20 years.

I see that pointless law did nothing at all to change peoples habits.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Rathji

FYP and time travelled back about 20 years.

I see that pointless law did nothing at all to change peoples habits.

Any facts to back that up? I don't recall seeing a plethora of people not buckling their kids in 20 years ago. And was it the law that did it or the educational campaigns and news stories that they ran that got everyone doing it? The incredible crash test dummies ad campaign is considered one of the most successful of all time. For example there is no law that children sit in the backseat, but it is recommended by a bunch of organizations and is effectively communicated. I don't see a lot of small children riding in front seats.

[Rathji]

I don't know anything about how many kids were seat belted before the law came into effect in 1987 (25 years, my bad!). I do know that I stood in the back seat while we drove around town, lay across the back window or on the floor and climbed between the front and back seat like it was a jungle gym. I also don't know, or care, if there are any studies done that show seat belts are safer than any of those activities, I am just using common sense.

You are right.

We should do some educational stuff about how smoking and second hand smoke are bad for people and the problem will solve itself. Why hasn't anyone thought of that before now?

Oh wait ...

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Rathji

You are right.

We should do some educational stuff about how smoking and second hand smoke are bad for people and the problem will solve itself. Why hasn't anyone thought of that before now?

Oh wait ...

I can't say I have seen a commercial ever (much less an effective one) that talks about the dangers of secondhand smoke in a car. In fact before watching that video about it, I assumed riding in a car with someone smoking and the windows down was fairly harmless. Maybe they have had some education in Canada about it, but in Texas we have seen nothing.

[Rathji]

Ok, so people know that smoking and second hand smoke is dangerous, because this has been pounded into us for almost as long as there have been seatbelt laws. Your assertion is that the people who do this just don't realize that it is also dangerous while in an enclosed space like a car?

If that is the case, then you are right. Lots more education is needed. If people can't make that connection, then they obviously need some help.

Next year we can have a course on not firing a machine gun into the floor of a glass box that you are in, while suspended 100 feet above the ground, because I have not seen any education on that either and had not even considered that it might be dangerous.

Do not eat green eggs and ham. Do not eat them, Sam I Am.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Ok, so people know that smoking and second hand smoke is dangerous, because this has been pounded into us for almost as long as there have been seatbelt laws. Your assertion is that the people who do this just don't realize that it is also dangerous while in an enclosed space like a car?

If that is the case, then you are right. Lots more education is needed. If people can't make that connection, then they obviously need some help.

Next year we can have a course on not firing a machine gun into the floor of a glass box that you are in, while suspended 100 feet above the ground, because I have not seen any education on that either and had not even considered that it might be dangerous.

Do not eat green eggs and ham. Do not eat them, Sam I Am.

It's not enclosed if the windows are opened and wind is blowing in as the car is moving. Obviously with all the windows rolled up it is hazardous. I am done with you as you are obviously unable to hold debate without being a condescending prick.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Sowa

It's not enclosed if the windows are opened and wind is blowing in as the car is moving. Obviously with all the windows rolled up it is hazardous. I am done with you as you are obviously unable to hold debate without being a condescending prick.

You are right.

Sometimes things are so obviously wrong to me that someone who doesn't see it turns on my condescending switch.

Bottom line is, having a law against something that harms kids is not bad. I do agree that education might be just as good, or maybe better, in the long run, but that doesn't mean that making it illegal is a bad thing.

Chances are both together will give the best long term results, because when dealing with an addiction as strong as smoking, even knowing the consequences people will still do it, even if it isn't them facing those consequences. These people might benefit the most from a legal push in the right direction.

[Knalus]

"something must be done"

"this is something"

"therefore, this must be done"




I don't agree with that logic.

[4X4]

My parents smoked with me in the car, and I turned out ok, didn't I?
Different times, indeed. I remember going to my grandparents' place for Sunday dinner, and my mom sparking up 'one last smoke before we get there' because my grandparents were vehement non-smokers.
I remember my dad driving me to my mom's house and him sparking a smoke and tossing the pack of Players on the dash of the Cadillac like a boss. Big, bushy sideburns, red velour interior. Back then, Players packs had the V across the whole pack. None of those extreme health warnings.
/CC & pylon

I have decided not to smoke with my little munchkin in the car. I really don't want to de-sensitize her to the smell of smoke, TBQH. And I smoke less!

[zamler]

Originally Posted by 4X4

My parents smoked with me in the car, and I turned out ok, didn't I?

I don't know, but there is a very good chance because they smoked, you picked up the habit. BTW, even if you don't smoke around your kid, the smell still permeates everything, the odor is incredibly powerful.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by 4X4

My parents smoked with me in the car, and I turned out ok, didn't I?
Different times, indeed. I remember going to my grandparents' place for Sunday dinner, and my mom sparking up 'one last smoke before we get there' because my grandparents were vehement non-smokers.
I remember my dad driving me to my mom's house and him sparking a smoke and tossing the pack of Players on the dash of the Cadillac like a boss. Big, bushy sideburns, red velour interior. Back then, Players packs had the V across the whole pack. None of those extreme health warnings.
/CC & pylon

I have decided not to smoke with my little munchkin in the car. I really don't want to de-sensitize her to the smell of smoke, TBQH. And I smoke less!

Still lots of time for you to develop lung cancer yet.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Sowa

It's not enclosed if the windows are opened and wind is blowing in as the car is moving. Obviously with all the windows rolled up it is hazardous. I am done with you as you are obviously unable to hold debate without being a condescending prick.

Its still plenty hazardous with the windows down. It doesn't all go out the window. Plus, there's actually many studies that shows that cigarette smoke and their carcinogens linger in fabrics.

I know a lot of parents that wont smoke in ANY areas their kids are in. The house, the car, anywhere. Its just plain bad and the info is out there. They take their butts outside in minus 40 rather than smoke anywhere their kids live, eat, play.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Its still plenty hazardous with the windows up. There's actually many studies that shows that cigarette smoke and their carcinogens linger in fabrics.

I know a lot of parents that wont smoke in ANY areas their kids are in. The house, the car, anywhere. Its just plain bad and the info is out there. They take their butts outside in minus 40 rather than smoke anywhere their kids live, eat, play.

But there are "rooms" in a house ya' know??