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killer_carlson · 07-16-2012, 10:44 PM

My beloved jeep has got to the point where it is time to move on after a good ten years.

I am looking for something better on gas and was looking at the Mitsubishi outlanders and then the new Mazda technology that claims to be equivalent to a hybrid. I was looking at The cx5 which has this as an option.

Before I buy the brand new car, I'm curious what he braintrust at cp has to say on Mazda vs Mitsubishi and the Skyactive technology.

GreatWhiteEbola · 07-16-2012, 10:50 PM

I'm a Mitsubishi fan, that said the SkyActiv Mazda is the real deal, according to the reviews I have read.

CX-5 beats the Outlander in my opinion. The Outlander is a gas guzzler in comparison.

T@T · 07-16-2012, 10:53 PM

Don't know a whole lot but a friend of mine is a service manager for Mazda, over the years he's worked for GM,Dodge and Toyota but this is the first time he's said anything extremely possitive about the brand he fixes,usually he just said "a cars a car" or "there all the same" but he's been pimping Mazda for over a year...calls himself the maytag man of cars.

He was pissed when I bought a Ford last year!

Fozzie_DeBear · 07-17-2012, 01:51 AM

I've been following the CX 5 for a while now and think its a great option.

Good quality, pleasure to drive, great interior, comes with a manual (only on base model), could be zoomier though.

(If they had a mazdaspeed AWD version that was loaded with features (and a manual) would be awesome.)

There is a rumor that the diesel version may come to Canada. But from what I've read, the performance is comparable to the gas one.

Id bet you and Mrs KC would like it

Dynamic · 07-17-2012, 03:07 AM

I would wait for a deisel option whether it be a cx-5, outlander or crv. I would trade me crv in a heartbeat if someone would come out with a economical deisel in the sub 30k range.

cDnStealth · 07-17-2012, 07:58 AM

I can't speak to the CX 5 but I bought a Mazda 3 Skyactive back in January and I am pleased with it thus far. I fill up about every two weeks.

killer_carlson · 07-17-2012, 08:58 AM

I really dislike the smell of diesel. I don't know if I could ever own a diesel vehicle.

killer_carlson · 07-17-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cDnStealth

I can't speak to the CX 5 but I bought a Mazda 3 Skyactive back in January and I am pleased with it thus far. I fill up about every two weeks.

How much driving are you doing? How is Mazda when dealing with warranty issues?

Sopure · 07-17-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I really dislike the smell of diesel. I don't know if I could ever own a diesel vehicle.

The only time you'd smell it in the passenger cars is when you're filling it up. Most of the manufacturers in Canada and the US have complied with CAFE standards, and the EPA's Bin 5 / LEV 2 emission standards. With VW anyways, you can run them indoors and they are cleaner than the gasoline cars we have.

cDnStealth · 07-17-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

How much driving are you doing? How is Mazda when dealing with warranty issues?

I don't drive too far because I park at Anderson and take the train in to work. When I was driving a 2002 Jeep Grand Cheroke I think I was filling up once a week. I haven't had to deal with warranty issues yet so I can't comment on that.

Bill Bumface · 07-17-2012, 09:32 AM

Take a look at how many 4 year old Mazdas are rusting up really bad and then reconsider your purchase. Good luck selling one of those cars ever.

A thread full of 4 year old rusting Mazdas: http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/sh...formation-here!

psyang · 07-17-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by hulkrogan

Take a look at how many 4 year old Mazdas are rusting up really bad and then reconsider your purchase. Good luck selling one of those cars ever.

A thread full of 4 year old rusting Mazdas: http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/sh...formation-here!

Hasn't SkyActiv only been around for a couple years, though? Not sure a thread describing a problem plaguing mostly 6-8 year old Mazda3s is entirely relevant here.

cDnStealth · 07-17-2012, 10:10 AM

Skyactive is new to this year (2012) models. That rust thread has me kind of worried though lol.

Table 5 · 07-17-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by psyang

Hasn't SkyActiv only been around for a couple years, though? Not sure a thread describing a problem plaguing mostly 6-8 year old Mazda3s is entirely relevant here.

Skyactive has nothing to do with rust protection though. Chances are the pain/body work is still the same as ever....which is a shame. It's been Mazda's achilles heel for years now and they don't seem to want to do anything about it.

I'd still consider a Mazda though....I would just make sure to lease the thing, not buy for the long term.

Bill Bumface · 07-17-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by psyang

Hasn't SkyActiv only been around for a couple years, though? Not sure a thread describing a problem plaguing mostly 6-8 year old Mazda3s is entirely relevant here.

6-8 years old? Several examples in that last thread were 4 years old at the time (posts from 2008).

Here is a rusting 2012 Mazda 5:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...12-Mazda5-Rust

Here is a 2010 model year Mazda 3 that starting rusting in 2009:
http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2...hatchback.html

And another 2010 that was rusting by 2011:
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/sh...ve-caused-this

RT14 · 07-17-2012, 10:55 AM

I bought a Mitsubishi RVR GT about a year ago and have been very happy with it thus far. Great on gas if you keep it under 110km/hr on highway but still pretty good even at 125. Lots of nice features and I love the look of it. Also has the longest warranty in the industry with 5 years bumper to bumper and 10 years powertrain.

Never owned a Mazda so can't speak of their pros and cons but I would venture a guess that the rusting issues are all from vehicles in the East where humidity is awful and wears metals down much faster. In the dryness of Alberta, I'd bet it's much less concern.

socktape · 07-17-2012, 11:35 AM

I had a 2007 Outlander and was really happy with it. That being said, if I were to buy another similar vehicle I would probably go with a loaded Dodge Journey as it comes fully loaded for the same price and I like the interior a little more. The only thing I didn't like about the Journey was that you couldn't get AWD unless you got the top model, which is still the case.... that pentastar V6 is supposed to be really good.

That being said I bought an Outback afterward and love it.

psyang · 07-17-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hulkrogan

6-8 years old? Several examples in that last thread were 4 years old at the time (posts from 2008).

Here is a rusting 2012 Mazda 5:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showt...12-Mazda5-Rust

Here is a 2010 model year Mazda 3 that starting rusting in 2009:
http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2...hatchback.html

And another 2010 that was rusting by 2011:
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/sh...ve-caused-this

From what I saw, the link you originally posted had the vast majority of the affected cars in the 2004-2006 range. This is why I stated "mostly 6-8 year old Mazda 3s". To be fair, I took a sampling, skipping every 2-3 pages looking to see what the affected year/models were. Even the posts from 2008 or later mostly described cars older than 5 years. If anything was misleading, it was your statement that the thread was "a thread full of 4 year old rusting Mazdas".

This thread is about Mazda's SkyActiv technology, a technology that has only been around for only 1-2 years, and that is being implemented on more models than just the Mazda 3.

That said, if Mazdas in general are plagued by rust problems as Table 5 said, then I can understand the point - I just didn't get that from the original link you posted.

Bill Bumface · 07-17-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by psyang

From what I saw, the link you originally posted had the vast majority of the affected cars in the 2004-2006 range. This is why I stated "mostly 6-8 year old Mazda 3s". To be fair, I took a sampling, skipping every 2-3 pages looking to see what the affected year/models were. Even the posts from 2008 or later mostly described cars older than 5 years. If anything was misleading, it was your statement that the thread was "a thread full of 4 year old rusting Mazdas".

This thread is about Mazda's SkyActiv technology, a technology that has only been around for only 1-2 years, and that is being implemented on more models than just the Mazda 3.

That said, if Mazdas in general are plagued by rust problems as Table 5 said, then I can understand the point - I just didn't get that from the original link you posted.

I just posted a link to a 2011 rusty Mazda 5

It's a problem with all of their models. It would scare me off.

Table 5 · 07-17-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RT14

Never owned a Mazda so can't speak of their pros and cons but I would venture a guess that the rusting issues are all from vehicles in the East where humidity is awful and wears metals down much faster. In the dryness of Alberta, I'd bet it's much less concern.

Unfortunately, that's not the case, they rust here too. It's almost always on the wheel well or the brand logo on the back. Just look at Protege 5 the next time it passes....almost guarantee rust in those two areas. I have one myself...apart from the rust, it's a fantastic car.

Cars should not be rusting like this....this is not the 80s. Otherwise they are hell of a fun car to drive, and I would still buy one if I'm only keeping it for a few years (and leasing). The Cx-5 from all accounts is fantastic (even if it's a CUV).

It's ridiculous how companies choose to ignore their one glaring weakness like this (not unlike VW and their electrical issues). Instead of fixing the one issue that is turning away customers, they try to gloss it over and focus on other things.