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saskflames69 · 07-09-2012, 09:00 AM

It's 2012, yet these societies are still stuck in 1200 CE. It seems like something other than invading them needs to be done.

Thor · 07-09-2012, 09:11 AM

Can't fully blame religion on this one, its a fact these guys are time travelers from 1000's of years ago adhering to a a religion that fits in well with those times.

Religion is obviously a part of the problem, an ideology that allows such wickedness and encourages this type of behavior to continue in the modern era. Islam simply is not designed to be a modern religion that adapts to our ever evolving humanity, its rigid, encourages such obedience that its better compared to a dangerous cult.

Sure there is plenty of people who are quite reasonable in Islam, but the leaders all over the Islamic world want to spread Islam, be ruled by sharia law and have no intention on bending or breaking to fit the western worlds version of morality and laws.

This is a clash of cultures, a clash of religions, and most accurately a class of eras, the modern vs the ancient.

GirlySports · 07-09-2012, 09:19 AM

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It's 2012, yet these societies are still stuck in 1200 CE. It seems like something other than invading them needs to be done.

Like blowing them up? NUKES!!!!!

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Religion holds back the true potential of human development and social evolution. More people have been killed in the name of God than for probably any other reason. Ironically, until this changes, I don't see how long-term peace could ever be attained. IMO, if one wants to look for answers to our existence, one needs to look no further than to the soil beneath our feet and realize that we all come from the same place regardless of who you are. Mother Nature creates us all equal. To the Taliban - Man wouldn't exist without Woman.

Communism is a close 2nd in the killing people department which is strange since it's the anti-religion which promotes everyone being equal. The other extreme.

Thor · 07-09-2012, 09:32 AM

The thing about communism is it is in itself a cult of sorts, at least in practice.

But the thing that no one disputes is the death toll would be dramatic if the kind of weapons of mass destruction that were available this last century were in the hands of religious fanatics, just imagine what the Crusaders would have done with nukes, how about the Mongols, or the Islamic armies.

We are about 100yrs away from some scary powerful technology which will make easy access to very powerful weapons possible, we need to modernize and get sanity to a great deal of this planet or we will blow ourselves up.

NuclearPizzaMan · 07-09-2012, 10:04 AM

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Like blowing them up? NUKES!!!!!

Hey... those nukes have already been paid for. Would be a shame to see that investment go to waste.

Flash Walken · 07-09-2012, 10:08 AM

The Taliban?

Diplomatic Channels for legitimacy?

This is a group of nomadic warlords from the 17th century we're talking about, here.

The Taliban is legitimate.

mikey_the_redneck · 07-09-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Muta

Religion holds back the true potential of human development and social evolution. More people have been killed in the name of God than for probably any other reason. Ironically, until this changes, I don't see how long-term peace could ever be attained. IMO, if one wants to look for answers to our existence, one needs to look no further than to the soil beneath our feet and realize that we all come from the same place regardless of who you are. Mother Nature creates us all equal. To the Taliban - Man wouldn't exist without Woman.

I think this was certainly true in past centuries.

In modern times though, democide has been the greatest killer of man-kind. Corrupt governments all over the world have killed hundreds of millions of people and this doesn't even include wars. Think Chairman Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler etc.

wookster · 07-09-2012, 10:49 AM

Its unfortunate but it will only get worse once the western soldiers withdraw from Afganistan. There is no way the Afgan Government military will be able to hold them back from taking over at least the outlaying provinces.

undercoverbrother · 07-09-2012, 10:51 AM

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Hey... those nukes have already been paid for. Would be a shame to see that investment go to waste.

then shoot them in the dark, saves money on NVG batteries.

Rerun · 07-09-2012, 10:51 AM

According to my brother-in-law, the whole country isn't that far removed from the stone age.... needless to say thats probably a significant reason they treat the woment the way they do.

Anyways, I thought maybe some of you might be interested in pics that he's sent me. He says its not a nice place to live in... let alone work as a a combat medic for a PSD (Protective Services Detail).

For more pics you can go here.....

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v6...view=slideshow

undercoverbrother · 07-09-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by saskflames96

It's 2012, yet these societies are still stuck in 1200 CE. It seems like something other than invading them needs to be done.

Like what, what would you suggest? This isn't a troll or driveby, I do want to hear your suggestion? How do you make the horse drink the water?

Flash Walken · 07-09-2012, 10:52 AM

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Its unfortunate but it will only get worse once the western soldiers withdraw from Afganistan. There is no way the Afgan Government military will be able to hold them back from taking over at least the outlaying provinces.

And they government military also isn't interested in holding them back, so why would they?

This is a stupid civil war that we've gotten involved in and made worse over the course of the last 30 years.

Hard to imagine it getting worse if the Allies pulled out.

undercoverbrother · 07-09-2012, 11:03 AM

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For more pics you can go here.....

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v6...view=slideshow

Great pics thanks for sharing those.

wookster · 07-09-2012, 11:05 AM

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And they government military also isn't interested in holding them back, so why would they?

This is a stupid civil war that we've gotten involved in and made worse over the course of the last 30 years.

Hard to imagine it getting worse if the Allies pulled out.

I would say it gets considerably worse for a lot of the people living there if/when the allies leave. Especially for any of the people that don't agree with the Taliban doctrine or do something to violate their laws. They don't seem to have much of an appeal process.

I can see the point whereas if the civil war is over, regardless of who wins, then the fighting stops and in a way that is a good thing, I just wouldn't want to be a woman living under that regime, or someone who wants an education etc.

Ben_in_Canada · 07-09-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

According to my brother-in-law, the whole country isn't that far removed from the stone age.... needless to say thats probably a significant reason they treat the woment the way they do.

Anyways, I thought maybe some of you might be interested in pics that he's sent me. He says its not a nice place to live in... let alone work as a a combat medic for a PSD (Protective Services Detail).

For more pics you can go here.....

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v6...view=slideshow

Holy crap this is one scary 'dog'

afc wimbledon · 07-09-2012, 12:25 PM

To be frank this is the country they want, women as well as men, if it wasn't it would have changed, as we did.
And while I wouldn't blame religeon for the barbarity, given free reign historically all the religeous are just as barberous, christians as well as muslims, ask any jew in 14th century spain or a slightly different woman accused of withcraft in the 16th century.

TorqueDog · 07-09-2012, 12:28 PM

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You yourself said they were made up charges, yet you think this is a religious killing? If they truly believed that this was a godly duty, they would have been just as frightened about their lying. Seems to me this is as cultural as it is religious. Let's not get confused what the source of this is.

How ISN'T it a religious killing?

The fact that the charges were invented means nothing. The means used to 'sell' this action as justified was a religious one. Divinely instructed. God's order. From bigotry to genocide, people can find religious instruction to support any number of positions.

I'm sorry, but to pretend that the religion is some sort of 'fall guy' in this instance is to ignore the painfully obvious. Is this cultural, sure, but this is a culture that is permeated so deeply by Islam, you can hardly speak of one without mentioning the other. Ever heard of Sharia Law? The moral code and religious law of Islam. And it, too, is purported to be the infallible order of Allah. We have the ability here to change unjust laws. Sharia? If God said it, you damn well won't be changing it.

Zevo · 07-09-2012, 12:44 PM

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Holy crap this is one scary 'dog'

This pic is called 'Dogs, As Seen By Sliver.'

undercoverbrother · 07-09-2012, 01:02 PM

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This pic is called 'Dogs, As Seen By Sliver.'

I thought I read somewhere his name was DESS?

Inglewood Jack · 07-09-2012, 01:13 PM

I wonder what the billions of peaceful religious people would think of us painting all religion as the root of evil. I am not religious myself anymore, but I bristle at the suggestion that if there was no religion then the entire human race would be all utopian/enlightened etc.

I guarantee even if you somehow magically converted those Taliban murderers to Athiests, they would still cook up a justification to commit atrocities.