Youngest senator has worst attendance record (AKA Why won't CPC show up for work?)

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Abhoriginals tend not to vote Conservative because of Brian Mulroney and the Meech Lake Accord.

Freudian slip?

[psyang]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Hmmm. I see what you mean but I'm not sure that doing or not doing your job is a moral issue. I think there are certain aspects of jobs where that could come into play, a police officer seems like the most obvious example.

For me, the biggest moral issue revolves around keeping one's word. In the workforce, this more formally falls under a contract, but contracts have moral underpinnings. The senator is being paid with the expectation that he render services in return. The unfortunate thing here is that there are no formal consequences to his breaking the contract (consequences fall more along the lines of a blow to his reptuation, which isn't necessarily insignificant).

If I say I will perform the duties of a senator, and don't do them, have I not lied? Doesn't that become a moral situation?

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Let me put it back on you, who is he hurting by not showing up to work? Again I'll use myself as an example. If I found out tomorrow that there were absolutely no meaningful consequences to not showing up to work, why would I? And if I didn't, who would I be hurting?

You would be hurting the people who invested time and money in hiring you, and the people that you should have been serving (but cannot now get service) based on your job description. They get short-changed. You might also be hurting yourself as your reputation will likely take a hit, though whether this "hurts" you or not depends on you and what you're willing to accept.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

No one, in any profession, is under any obligation to show up for work, moral or otherwise (with very few exceptions like maybe a surgeon who is performing brain surgery later that afternoon and the patient will die if they take the day off). That is freedom of choice. However, by not showing up most people know they will get fired and replaced. Or at least reprimanded. There are numerous examples where someone could be considered a dick if they up and decide to not show up, for example your wedding photographer decides he's going to stop being a photographer on the day of your wedding and it is too late to replace him. This guy though? not so much.

I guess that's where we disagree. A worker can always not show up - yes, that's freedom of choice. But I'd argue that doing so puts the employer in a bind that is (in most cases) not reasonable. It takes time/effort/money to hire a replacement. Why else is there the concept of 2 week's notice?

What if your employer acted similarly, and simply closed shop with no notice, pocketed all the money, and fled the country. He may be free to do that, but wouldn't you think he was morally negligent?

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

This guy has a job where he knows he can't get fired. For that I blame his employer, not the employee.

And I agree the employer shares some responsibility (and the policies need to be changed). But that doesn't absolve the senator of his moral duty to keep his end of the contract.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Slava

Right and the integrity here is awe inspiring I suppose?

The CPC apologists really blow my mind at times. Here is a guy appointed by glorious leader, who has shown complete contempt for his office and even more when its pointed out. Somehow though you manage to talk about the Liberals and them having no integrity. Simply perplexing.

The CPC haters really blow my mind at times. When a Conservative does any little thing wrong they jump on it without knowing the facts, yet if a Liberal had done it they would keep their mouth shut. Brazeau has already explained his low attendance was due to personal issues. Of course you will assume he is lying simply because he is not part of the party you support.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Fire

The CPC haters really blow my mind at times. When a Conservative does any little thing wrong they jump on it without knowing the facts, yet if a Liberal had done it they would keep their mouth shut. Brazeau has already explained his low attendance was due to personal issues. Of course you will assume he is lying simply because he is not part of the party you support.

Oh come on now... even I, an ardent CPC supporter don't buy the "personal issues" excuse.

Face it, appointing Brazeau to the Senate was a mistake. I only hope he retires in 2016, which I assume he was asked to do when he was first appointed.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Face it, appointing Brazeau to the Senate was a mistake.

Besides Bert Brown and Betty Unger they are all a bunch of party bagmen, cronies, failed candidates and other patronage jokers.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Abhoriginals tend not to vote Conservative because of Brian Mulroney and the Meech Lake Accord.

Aboriginals tend not to vote conservative because rednecks don't give a #### about minorities, they only benefit the upper middle class. But I wouldn't expect anyone from Bigotville to understand that.

[FlamesAddiction]

Big bump.

It looks like the Conservatives gave him the boot...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...ut-caucus.html

[CaptainCrunch]

First he gets knocked out by Trudeau which would be embarrassing for any male.

Then he gets busted for comments made about Spence and called an Indian a$$hole by his own people.

Now he's tossed out by the Conservatives.

Worst Senator ever and probably the wrong Aboriginal appointment.

[Hack&Lube]

Is there a process for removing appointees from Senate once they are there?

[FlamesAddiction]

It also says in passing that he is in jail right now for domestic dispute.

Thankfully he only has another 37 years left as a Senator.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Is there a process for removing appointees from Senate once they are there?

He doesn't fall under those qualifications

http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/Re...1-83-e.htm#a34

3.2.2 How can a senator lose his or her seat in the Senate?

A senator can lose his or her seat by:

• reaching the age of 75 years;
• resigning for any reason;
• not attending the Senate for two consecutive parliamentary sessions;
• becoming a subject or citizen of a foreign power;
• declaring bankruptcy, applying for the benefit of any law relating to insolvency, or becoming “a public defaulter”;
• being “attainted of treason” or convicted of a felony or “infamous crime”; or
• ceasing to be qualified in respect of property or residence.

As is the case with qualifications, any dispute as to whether a place in the Senate has become vacant is decided by the Senate its

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It also says in passing that he is in jail right now for domestic dispute.

Thankfully he only has another 37 years left as a Senator.

I believe he agreed to a 9 year term when he was appointed in to the Senate in Jan 2009
Since Jan 2009, I think all Conservative Senate appointees have to agree to this term limit.

However, since the Conservatives have now thrown him out of the party he perhaps might chose to not honor that agreement.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

First he gets knocked out by Trudeau which would be embarrassing for any male.

Then he gets busted for comments made about Spence and called an Indian a$$hole by his own people.

Now he's tossed out by the Conservatives.

Worst Senator ever and probably the wrong Aboriginal appointment.

I think Andy Thompson gives him a run for the money in that category.

[CaptainCrunch]

Yeah you got me on that one Andy Thompson was horrid.

[Jacks]

I think Harper regretted appointing this guy almost immediately.

[Jacks]

Wow.

Senator Brazeau charged with sexual assault, released on bail
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle8374288/

Senator Patrick Brazeau has been charged with assault and sexual assault, according to court documents.

[FlamesAddiction]

Probably a good thing that he never shows up for work. We don't need someone like him there.

It was a bad decision to make him a Senator (he was young and I don't believe for a second that these character issues are a recent development).

But I give Harper credit for booting him from the party. It weakens the Tory Senate position a little, but it was the right decision.

[CaptainCrunch]

I would assume with the seriousness of these charges that they might be able to bounce him on the attendance side of things if he gets prison time.

I would also assume that if Harper is cagey that he'll call in the RCMP to do a fraud investigation on the housing tax free thing so that he can pressure him into resigning.

I think Harper's heart was in the right place in appointing him, he wanted to put a high profile Native into the Senate. It sounds like there wasn't enough prior due diligence before the appointment or they chose to ignore the previous sexual harassment stuff because it was dropped.

Not to sound flippant, but if someone like Pierre Trudeau's 98 pound weakling son can kick his a$$, hows he gonna do in prison.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Not to sound flippant, but if someone like Pierre Trudeau's 98 pound weakling son can kick his a$$, hows he gonna do in prison.

Especially since most natives consider him to be an apple, they probably won't even let him into the Indian Brotherhood.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Not to sound flippant, but if someone like Pierre Trudeau's 98 pound weakling son can kick his a$$, hows he gonna do in prison.

Didn't PET have a blackbelt in something? or maybe I am thinking of someone else.

edit - guess I was right

Judo
Trudeau began practising the Japanese martial art Judo sometime in the mid-1950s when he was in his mid-thirties, and by the end of the decade he was ranked ik-kyū (brown belt). Later, when he travelled to Japan as Prime Minister, he was promoted to sho-dan (first-degree black belt) by the Kodokan, and then promoted to ni-dan (second-degree black belt) by Masao Takahashi in Ottawa before leaving office. Trudeau began the night of his famous 'walk in the snow' before announcing his retirement in 1984 by going to Judo with his sons.[43]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Trudeau#Personal