[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

If you include the 13 games in the MPHL his ppg goes to 1.76.

Any reason you didn't mention guys like Zajac, Oshie and Bennett were 19 when drafted and not in their 18 year old years?

You don't think it would be more appropriate to use Zajac's previous season?

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Well just look at the last couple drafts.

From 2011, 4 of the top ten spent the whole season with their team, another 2 made their debuts and looked good, will likely stick this season. The one's who didn't play will likely debut this year.

From 2010, 4 of the top ten have already played between 125 and 150 games, another 4 have played 60 +, and another 1 is a slam dunk prospect to play this season (Granlund). So that's 9/10 that are NHL-ready within 1-2 years.

From 2009, the top 4 have all played over 200 games, and only Scott Glennie has yet to appear as an NHL regular... again, 9/10 players NHL-ready within 2-3 years.

So if drafted next year he would be 2-3 years away which you just said.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

If you include the 13 games in the MPHL his ppg goes to 1.76.

In Case you conveniently missed it, your last bit of ill conceived drive by criticism was shredded to pieces.

Enjoy.

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

They obviously aren't that impressed with his skills and potential or the kid would have been ranked, and went higher then 21st overall. 2/3rds of NHL scouting teams passed him by.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is such a stupid argument. 2/3 of NHL teams passed over every player that went after #20. That doesn't mean they think poorly of all of these players, nor does it mean that they are all not as good as the 20 playes selected before them. The NHL is not a hive-mind that charts the progression of prospects in exactly the same fashion. NHL teams do not all employ the same draft philosophies in their evaluation of talent. Just because Jankowski was not picked until #21 does not mean that scouts were unimpressed by him. It has already been well documented why Jankowski was ranked in the second round, but this has a lot less to do with his hockey skills and mostly to do with the fact that he wasn't playing tier-1 juniour. Again, when you read the scouting reports, they are all very high on his vision, hockey IQ, and his puck-skills—these were NOT the reason for his lower ranking.

[saillias]

Kinda off topic but could you imagine growing from 5'6" to 6'3" at age... 17? I basically finished growing as a 15 year old....

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Any reason you didn't mention guys like Zajac, Oshie and Bennett were 19 when drafted and not in their 18 year old years?

You don't think it would be more appropriate to use Zajac's previous season?

I don't know the dates of the age cut offs. These guys were all overagers or just old for their draft year?

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

In Case you conveniently missed it, your last bit of ill conceived drive by criticism was shredded to pieces.

Enjoy.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I don't know the dates of the age cut offs. These guys were all overagers or just old for their draft year?

Guys headed to College used to be able to opt in a year later. Your ppg analysis is totally crap currently. Go compare the the season before for Zajac and then see how you like your results.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Yeah. I didn't agree with it. No point in responding to posters who have already decided this kid has franchise center upside two days after being picked at 21.

Yea that's certainly the impression I got from his well thought out deconstruction of your ignorant point despite the fact he said nothing like that.

But troll away, don't let logic stop you.

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Yeah. I didn't agree with it. No point in responding to posters who have already decided this kid has franchise center upside two days after being picked at 21.

Everyone sees the upside other then a blinded oiler fan like yourself. Just because he isn't 5'7 and 125 lbs like all the oiler prospects who are going to be stars doesn't mean Jankownski has no real upside.

Let's see in 2-3 years who he lines up at centre against nugget Hopkins and tosse him like a rag doll.

[sworkhard]

Just old for their draft year. Sven Baertchi was old for his draft year too, and is actually one of the oldest players in last years draft. As a result we always compare his production from last year to other players in their 19 year old season.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by saillias

Kinda off topic but could you imagine growing from 5'6" to 6'3" at age... 17? I basically finished growing as a 15 year old....

Dennis Rodman grew 14 inches in his Senior year of highschool.

5'6-6'8

Went from being unable to make a layup consistently to the best defensive/rebounding forward in NBA history.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Yeah. I didn't agree with it. No point in responding to posters who have already decided this kid has franchise center upside two days after being picked at 21.

Textcritic, the guy who is quoted in the reply to you, has said that?

Your stat analysis is filled with holes and Textcritic have a well reasoned reply to your thoughts. Guess when you don't have a leg to stand on you revert to troll comments like the one above.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Guys headed to College used to be able to opt in a year later.

I was under the impression that ended in 2003.

Bennett can't be an overager. He has almost the same birthdate as Taylor Hall. I'm unsure about the others. Will have to look up the cutoff dates.

[OutOfTheCube]

Basically, all it is is baseless speculation from either side. He could be a franchise center, he could bomb and never play a game. Each side has arguments and examples from decades of drafting. At this point, both optimism and negativity are equally unfounded.

Can't we all just get along?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I was under the impression that ended in 2003.

I don't know when it ended but Zajac is a full year and a half older then Jankowski was in their respective draft years, not just a simple birthday cut off here. It would like much more correct to fix your finding and compare the appropriate ages.

Will you do that? I doubt it, it would prove you totally clueless.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I was under the impression that ended in 2003.

Bennett can't be an overager. He has almost the same birthdate as Taylor Hall. I'm unsure about the others. Will have to look up the cutoff dates.

You know what else you should look up?

The last page where I pointed out your last instance of trolling was pretty thoroughly debunked:

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

They obviously aren't that impressed with his skills and potential or the kid would have been ranked, and went higher then 21st overall. 2/3rds of NHL scouting teams passed him by.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is such a stupid argument. 2/3 of NHL teams passed over every player that went after #20. That doesn't mean they think poorly of all of these players, nor does it mean that they are all not as good as the 20 playes selected before them. The NHL is not a hive-mind that charts the progression of prospects in exactly the same fashion. NHL teams do not all employ the same draft philosophies in their evaluation of talent. Just because Jankowski was not picked until #21 does not mean that scouts were unimpressed by him. It has already been well documented why Jankowski was ranked in the second round, but this has a lot less to do with his hockey skills and mostly to do with the fact that he wasn't playing tier-1 juniour. Again, when you read the scouting reports, they are all very high on his vision, hockey IQ, and his puck-skills—these were NOT the reason for his lower ranking.

... and all you had to say was that - despite saying nothing to that effect - that Textcritic's opinion is invalidated because he thinks this kid has "franchise" Centre potential.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Can't we all just get along?

Don't make stupid comments then lol

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Don't make stupid comments then lol

Haha I try not to. I just see a distinct difference between 'elite level prospect' and '3-5 year project'. I've yet to put down the pick or claim he'll end up on either side of the fence. Playing it safe on this one

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I don't know when it ended but Zajac is a full year and a half older then Jankowski was in their respective draft years, not just a simple birthday cut off here. It would like much more correct to fix your finding and compare the appropriate ages.

Will you do that? I doubt it, it would prove you totally clueless.

Well its appears you are right about Zajac, but wrong about Oshie, and Bennett.

I will remove Zajac as he was drafted as an overager and not in the same position as the others.

The numbers won't prove anything. They are just a nice way to form an opinion.

The Canadians

Turris- BCHL 53-66-55-121 2.28 ppg #3
Bennett- BCHL 56-41-79-120 2.14 ppg #20
Cogliano- OPJHL 49-36-66-102 2.08 ppg #25
Jankowski- CDNHS 57-53-41-94 1.65 ppg #21
Colborne- AJHL 55-33-57-90 1.64 ppg #16
Chucko- BCHL 53-32-55-87 1.64 ppg #24
Nash- BCHL 55-38-46 -84 1.53 ppg #21
Leveille- GHJHL 45-29-27-56 1.24 ppg #29

The Americans

Oshie USHS 31-37-62-99 3.19ppg #24
Wheeler USHS 27-39-50-89 3.30ppg #5
Hayes- USHS 28-25-42-67 2.39ppg #24
Kreider- USHS 26-33-23-56 2.15ppg #19
Coyle- EJHL 42-21-42-63 1.5 ppg #28

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by saillias

Kinda off topic but could you imagine growing from 5'6" to 6'3" at age... 17? I basically finished growing as a 15 year old....

I feel sorry for his parents... They probably had buy him new clothes and shoes every couple of months.