68 year old bus monitor. Bully victim to kids.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm waiting for the parents of these little punks to whine and cry that their kids are being unfairly prosecuted and their little pookums are amazing kids and the video is fake.

then we'll see all these sniffly faced kids putting out a fake apology and then getting counseling and big gentle hugs.

Personally I don't know how I would handle that as an adult except to be extremely depressed that my sperm gave way to such a #######.

Personally I think they should be forced to clean the ladies house, and do yard work and maintenance for the next 5 years, and if they complain or do a poor job they get sent to a boot camp for the summer.

I hear they've raised a ton of money over this. Some of that money should be paid to professional bullies who will follow them 24 days screaming at them about their dress, their body odor and their lack of intelligence while throwing in the occasional atomic wedgie and blue ocean turd swirly.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

horrible. but kids were just as mean in junior high 20 years ago.

Frankly though when I went to high school and junior high school you had jerks, but usually there were other kids that would stand up to them instead of sitting there and filming it and snikering.

[EVERLAST]

yep ...remember Columbine ...sorry maybe an extreme example but my cousin went to school in Denver with those kids and nobody saw it coming.

These kids will eventually take their lumps for being a bunch of twats to somebodys mom..grandmother

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Frankly though when I went to high school and junior high school you had jerks, but usually there were other kids that would stand up to them instead of sitting there and filming it and snikering.

In every scenario that happened?

That's just nostalgic thinking.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

In every scenario that happened?

That's just nostalgic thinking.

Maybe

I don't recall too many scenarios where someone didn't step up. Or break up a fight before it went too far and someone got hurt.

[Flash Walken]

CaptainCrunch grew up in Hill Valley in the 1950s.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Maybe

I don't recall too many scenarios where someone didn't step up. Or break up a fight before it went too far and someone got hurt.

Statistically you are right. It happened then and it happens now. Often someone gets punched out.

This time a vid gets sent in (this has only happened in the last 5 years) and everyone goes bonkers.

Should they over the event? Absolutely.

Should they over the spectacle? Now hang on.

For someone who admitted kicking someone through a fence to earn his place, you certainly have a rosy color of yesteryear.

Yes elder abuse never happened in your age cause kids were just better then.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Really, how long ago was it that spanking was "allowed"?

I was a kid in the 80's/early 90's. I was never spanked I was never hit. My Dad had a hard as hell life but didn't see the need to hit his children.

Spanking hasn't been the norm for several decades now.

It sounds like you are one of the few to be honest.

I grew up in the mid 90's and I got my ass beat if I pulled anything remotely close to what these kids did and I know alot of my friends and family were the same. Obviously, I cant say for sure if it changed me, but looking at the 'politeness punishment' group of kids these days being raised, including a pair of step sisters of mine, I can say that I am certainly leaning towards disciplining my kids the way I was, rather then trying to barter a healthy punishment like kids are seeing nowadays.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Statistically you are right. It happened then and it happens now. Often someone gets punched out.

This time a vid gets sent in (this has only happened in the last 5 years) and everyone goes bonkers.

Should they over the event? Absolutely.

Should they over the spectacle? Now hang on.

For someone who admitted kicking someone through a fence to earn his place, you certainly have a rosy color of yesteryear.

Yes elder abuse never happened in your age cause kids were just better then.

Hey the fence was fine.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Hey the fence was fine.

As was elder abuse I guess.

It existed then, it exists now. It's only news (thankfully) because we carry camera phones.

You may have been the rare kid to stand up, as I was, but your generation was no better.

[Ozy_Flame]

The problem I find with the "kids will be kids" arguement is that it assumes hopelessness and that nothing will really solve the problem.

I believe it's more than simply the parents who have to show children right from wrong. Brothers, sisters, babysitters, teachers, nannies, bus drivers, soccer coaches, and everyone in between has a role in raising kids. Why? Because they're socialized and educated through more than just two blood relatives. It's a more macro, cultural thing we need to address. I think bullying being picked apart like it has been in the last couple of years is a good start to recognize the long-running roots of why it happens.

BTW, I doubt this would ever happen in a country like Japan, where respect for other people is on a completely different level than in North America. We could learn alot from other cultures.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The problem I find with the "kids will be kids" arguement is that it assumes hopelessness and that nothing will really solve the problem.

I believe it's more than simply the parents who have to show children right from wrong. Brothers, sisters, babysitters, teachers, nannies, bus drivers, soccer coaches, and everyone in between has a role in raising kids. Why? Because they're socialized and educated through more than just two blood relatives. It's a more macro, cultural thing we need to address. I think bullying being picked apart like it has been in the last couple of years is a good start to recognize the long-running roots of why it happens.

BTW, I doubt this would ever happen in a country like Japan, where respect for other people is on a completely different level than in North America. We could learn alot from other cultures.

Good call. We should probably have a massive suicide risk and sell used panties from vending machines.

This isn't white and black, young and old. It's not even kids being kids. It's just jerks being jerks. It happened then, and it happens now. And guess what, it happens in Japan. Even China.

The only way to do something about it is just to do something about it. And respect those that take care of your children. If you don't no one else will.



It would of course take too much time to look in the mirror and see the staff that serve our children. If we hire them and yell at them, if we think we can bus them and school them better, why would our precious children think any different?

[Ashasx]

When I was in junior high, stuff like this happened all the time, but to the bus driver. Perhaps not as constant as this, but certainly very physical. Lighting hair on fire, spitting, smashing windows and throwing glass.

It's not easy to stand up to those kids at that age though. The only thing that mattered to me in junior high was what people thought of me. The superficial. I wouldn't dare tell the principal, even though I hated those kids at the back of the bus. I just began avoiding it.

Makes me sick now.

[Dion]

Because it might just be possible that the culture of excuse making for children – the all-too-common parental belief that nothing their little one does is wrong, or at least is someone else’s fault – helps contribute to an environment where a group of young teens can giggle together while tormenting a senior citizen.

But really, what’s the school going to do? Expelling the kids would send the message – to them, to society, to the parents who then will just have to figure out what to do with a child not fit to exist in a publicly-funded setting with other people. No, we’ve decided as a society that schools can’t have that stick.

So what else to do? Greece school board president Julie VanOrman had an idea – make the incident a “teachable moment.” (Gag. Really?)

"This (incivility) is a problem not just in this district but of the nation, and what are we actually doing about it," she said. "What are we all going to do to make sure this doesn't happen on another bus in another school district tomorrow?" she told the Rochester (NY) Democrat and Chronicle.

http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture...sty-kids-video

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The problem I find with the "kids will be kids" arguement is that it assumes hopelessness and that nothing will really solve the problem.

I believe it's more than simply the parents who have to show children right from wrong. Brothers, sisters, babysitters, teachers, nannies, bus drivers, soccer coaches, and everyone in between has a role in raising kids. Why? Because they're socialized and educated through more than just two blood relatives. It's a more macro, cultural thing we need to address. I think bullying being picked apart like it has been in the last couple of years is a good start to recognize the long-running roots of why it happens.

BTW, I doubt this would ever happen in a country like Japan, where respect for other people is on a completely different level than in North America. We could learn alot from other cultures.

With both parents working to keep a roof over thier heads there's no one around to teach them what you're saying.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Dion

With both parents working to keep a roof over thier heads there's no one around to teach them what you're saying.

I don't think that matters, there have been latch key kids for nearly half a decade now.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't think that matters, there have been latch key kids for nearly half a decade now.

5 years.

Is that a good sample size? I'm not sure, what do you think? Are we talking viruses? No human chil...

I think you meant to say century. Of which, is equally ridiculous.

Probably why I don't see you in the science thread.

[CaptainCrunch]

Half a century would be accurate woman were entering the work force full time in the late 60's to early 70's.

In the mid 70's on it was fairly common for woman to work full time not that long after their kids were born.

I make a typing mistake and you rake me over the coals. How unlike you. And I read the science thread. I like the science thread, but I don't debate much in the science thread because I can't keep up with a bunch of the propeller heads in there.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Dion

With both parents working to keep a roof over thier heads there's no one around to teach them what you're saying.

I think that's a common oversimplification used as an excuse for bad behavior.

Both of my parents worked full time for essentially my entire life. Up to the age of 13 I would go to after school daycare. Once I started Junior High I went to school on my own (walking or bus), got home on my own and then was home alone for almost 3 hours until my working parents arrived.

Yes, I got into some "bad stuff" because there was no supervision but that "bad stuff" never including hurting anyone else either physically or emotionally. The reason that it didn't was because of the morals that my hard-working parents instilled in me starting at a very young age. Yes, my mother told me that I was special (and I even believed her for a long time) and no, my parents never physically disciplined me. Yet, all of the discipline was, in my opinion, just as effective.

I know that this may come off as a "in my day we walked uphill in the snow both ways" rant. That's not my intention. Rather, my point is that most of us didn't do this sort of thing when I was a kid. Yes, we did respect our elders even if that respect wasn't a real respect but a fear of the consequences.

There have been many studies about generational differences. There are significant differences between the Baby Boomers, Generation X and the Y Generation. Most of these differences are a result of the cultural influences that they grew up with. The current young generation has a lot of good things going for it. However, their sense of entitlement isn't one of them.

I have no idea about the actual character of the kids involved in this incident but I do know that after many years of riding a school bus I never saw or heard anything close to this taking place. I couldn't even imagine something like this happening when I was their age.

I think that the foundation of respect for your fellow man starts at home. I have 3 teenagers and they are very respectful/fearful of adults. My kids spend a tonne of time online and are exposed to the same stuff as the kids in this video. My wife and I are constantly reminding them directly and indirectly of the type of behavior that's expected. There have been some hicups along the way but nothing too serious.

In my opinion, this is clearly a combination of the parents failure and mob mentality run amock. Fortunately, most kids both in my day and today are better than this. Hopefully, the parents of these hellions step up and dish out the appropriate discipline and make it a lesson they will never forget (doesn't necessarily mean physical discipline).

[CaptainCrunch]

Now now RedSlinger, I think you're being overly romantic about your childhood.