I haven't seen anything about this on the board, but this is a troubling story, and really, IMHO a sign of the times. Basically a pack of little punks, bully this poor woman to tears.
There is a nice end to this story in the fact that a online fundraiser has now raised over $365,000 to send her on a vacation:
And the woman had declined to press charges, which says a lot more about her character, than these horribly raised kids.
What is troubling about this to me, is this, and the older school guys on this board can attest to this. Are we letting kids off too easy nowadays? Do we need to find a happy medium between beating the snot out of kids, and finding some sort of punishment that actually makes them afraid to do things like this? Has anonymous online flaming of people, made it acceptable in real life in their minds? The insults slung at this poor woman, are the types of insults that you see in the youtube comments section, or 4chan. I don't blame these kids, as much as the people that raised them. What kind of household do you grow up in, where this is acceptable behaviour?
Not in a million years in my youth, or even today, could I fathom, talking to an elder like that. And even the worst kids I grew up with, wouldn't stoop so low as to pick on a senior. Not that it is right, but if I was caught doing something like that, there would have been hell to pay when I got home. I would have to answer to the old man, and by answer, I mean get my ass kicked. If anything, fear of physical punishment, kept me from doing something so cruel.
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It is unbelievable. I knew pretty much everyone when I was in school and none of them would have done anything remotely close to that and I knew a lot of choice people.
I'd throw the book at them personally. 500+ hrs of community service and expelling them from school, as well as this having this on their record permanently.
I think a good amount of it has to do with lack of authority in parenting.
Home is where kids spend most of their childhood and what goes on there largely shapes their world view.
The days of the parent as the disciplinarian are over, and society hasn't come up with a replacement.
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School is really just a baysitter for most parents, as parents have essentially taken the power away from teachers as their little child is never in the wrong. Shouldn't be lumping all parents into this but like anything, "it only takes a few.... blah blah blah... bad name". I would never have a treated a person like this and never will, unless it's someone from "the microsoft technical department" calling again.
For what ever reason todays prents don't think their kids should be scared of them. As a kid I was not sacred of mine untill I was being a little jerk, then I was scared as hell when they got mad at me. I'm nearly 34 and to this day when my Dad yells, my knees start knocking.
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I was a complete arse as a child, but even I would never have done anything remotely close to this. I can't believe behavior like this still happens, especially in the "anti bullying" era we live in, or at least society wants us to believe we live in. I would have been furious had that been my grandmother. I read this story yesterday and the funds raised totaled just over $60K. Nice to see that grow 6 fold and I hope this lady takes the longest vacation possible and never looks back.
What can you really do other than beat the living hell out of your child if they pull that kind of crap?
do it again the next day?
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This has left me in tears. I just don't understand how you can be so cruel to another human being. Times really have changed.
The funny thing is though, they (times) really haven't. Has discipline left our schools? Agreed. But bullying, young of old, man or women, has existed and does exist.
Don't get me wrong. Discipline these students. Harshly. But to think elder abuse, (and child abuse) hasn't existed or never existed, or even to the same levels...
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The funny thing is though, they (times) really haven't. Has discipline left our schools? Agreed. But bullying, young of old, man or women, has existed and does exist.
Agreed. Maybe I phrased that incorrectly...things are definitely dealt with differently than they were 10 years ago.
and stop with the theorizing that things are getting worse. Embarassing.
Yup, this is a gross video and those kids are being f'n ######ed, but kids are as stupid as they ever were. Stop with the "not in a million years" "kids these days" "old man comment" talk please.
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This has left me in tears. I just don't understand how you can be so cruel to another human being. Times really have changed.
But don't dare say that, anytime you bring that up, you get the 'get off my lawn' heckling. I am not that old either. Mid-thirties. I remember the type of coaching we got in top tier sports back then. Those guys taught me the best lessons, because there was an emotional disconnect from them, and it was simply, Bad behaviour = punishment. No parental prejudices or emotions to get in the way.
I once told an umpire to f-off when I struck out on a called strike. I was immediately pulled from the game, and sent home, even though I was the best player on the team. The next practice, our coach, who played College ball, made me practice blocking short pitches in the dirt with him for an hour after practice, as I was a back catcher. He could still clock high 80's on the gun, and wasn't holding back. I was 12, and I never mouthed off an umpire ever again, and learned a lesson. I appreciate that lesson today. Now, the coach goes to jail for child abuse.
My Bantam AA coach, overheard me talking about a girl I was dating in grade 10 with my teamates, and I had said some VERY private, inappropriate things about her in the dressing room. He called me out in the hallway, grabbed me by the collar jersey, and pinned me up against the wall and got two inches from my face and said "If I ever hear you talk about a girl like that in my dressing room, I will kick you off this team, and you will never play in this association again. Got it?" I got one shift that entire game, the last 8 seconds of the game. Try explaining that to your old man who lived and breathed your minor hockey almost more than you.
I know TL;DR, but you never hear about discipline like that anymore. And it is not even physical abuse. It is real, substantive punishment, which I believe lacks now. We are so worried telling Dakotah and Keegyn how special they are, and how they can do know wrong, punishments are now, "Let's sit down and talk about your feelings." Back in my day it was "I am going to tell you what a piece of crap you are, and hurt your feelings so you smarten the F up." And it worked.
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Agreed. Maybe I phrased that incorrectly...things are definitely dealt with differently than they were 10 years ago.
In schools yes. In society, no.
The funny thing is it's a balance beam, and it goes back and forth. One we give kids the right not to be raped up the ass by a priest, they do this. But we go back to a more conservative lifestyle, and kids get overwhelmingly abused.
Obviously the solution is just to watch out for each other. But that won't happen.
So maybe we just watch out for ourselves? And agree life f'in sucks.
(I in no way endorse this video and would probably be in jail for bitch slapping kids if it happened. Of course it wouldn't around me, maybe that's my point.)
Just everyone do their job better and stop worrying about the lens and reaction.
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