General Ongoing Coyotes saga thread

[Jordan!]

I'm sure the kids and teenie boppers that flood arrowhead will be lined up to sign.. please.

How will they prove they are registered voters as well? it's door to door or bust.

[Vulcan]

For a council that is biased in keeping the Coyotes, and doesn't come up with a budget from a neutral party that shows they would save money by paying Jamison, I doubt their reasoning. I think they are not completely open in giving out the finances in either scenario is because it wouldn't favour keeping the Coyotes.

[troutman]

Video report on Tuesday's court hearing:

http://goldwaterinstitute.org/articl...-debated-court

Horizon interviews Goldwater Institute's lead attorney Carrie Ann Sitren

http://goldwaterinstitute.org/articl...-deal-glendale

[JohnnyHowDoO'duya]

Originally Posted by troutman

Could Glendale voters derail Greg Jamison’s bid for Phoenix Coyotes?

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl...1741--nhl.html

Joyce Clark, a pro-arena deal member of the Glendale City Council, took to Twitter regarding the referendum:

"Coyotes Troops: It's not over until the fat lady sings and this fat lady isn't singing yet. The opposition has to get 1862 valid signatures and turn them in on July 9 (July 8 is a Sunday). They really need at least 2450 to account for invalid signatures and they have to do it in 18 days with a long July 4th weekend. I'm not saying it's not do-able but it will be very, very difficult."

And

is this politician advocating that she "doesnt" agree with having the tax payers vote?

so she is saying, good luck trying to get this to a referendum, we dont want our constiuents to have a say in the matter!

if its a good deal, she should be trumpeting the cause. let the taxpayers vote, they will no doubt consider this a great deal. if not, there clearly is something to hide or she would not be antognizing the pro referndum side by saying good luck with that!

or am i just being obtuse?

[Jordan!]

Phoenix Coyotes release Preseason sked.. Full sked out soon.

What does this mean? Team staying even if there is no deal completed another year? I cant see CoG putting down another $25 mill.

Confusing times

[landshark]

The signature gathering will be easy... there will be people with clipboards at enterences of malls and grocery stores asking people, "are you in favor of higher taxes to keep the Coyotes in Glendale? If not, read this and sign here for the right to vote on the issue." People will sign without reading. It should take just a few hours to get 2k signatures. But they will likely bring in 50k just to make a point.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHowDoO'duya

is this politician advocating that she "doesnt" agree with having the tax payers vote?

so she is saying, good luck trying to get this to a referendum, we dont want our constiuents to have a say in the matter!

if its a good deal, she should be trumpeting the cause. let the taxpayers vote, they will no doubt consider this a great deal. if not, there clearly is something to hide or she would not be antognizing the pro referndum side by saying good luck with that!

or am i just being obtuse?

You're right but they should have held a referendum a couple of months ago. If they get the signatures to hold the referendum now, it may be enough of a delay to kill the deal. At least that would be the council's, Gary Bettman's and Jamison's fear mongering reasoning.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by landshark

The signature gathering will be easy... there will be people with clipboards at enterences of malls and grocery stores asking people, "are you in favor of higher taxes to keep the Coyotes in Glendale? If not, read this and sign here for the right to vote on the issue." People will sign without reading. It should take just a few hours to get 2k signatures. But they will likely bring in 50k just to make a point.

If that's the method they choose they'll likely be seeing pretty much all of those signatures declared invalid. This isn't a petition to keep Nickleback from playing the NHL awards, there are fairly strict procedural requirements here. People are going to need to actually take more than 5 seconds to sign this while walking into the mall.

Here's a link to the relevant statutory sections: http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedS...s.asp?Title=19

Btw, the 1,862 figure is based on 10% of voters in the previous election. It sounds like a small number but we're talking about a population in which only 18,620 people bothered to vote, and you can be certain that there was much more awareness surrounding an election than there is around this situation.

[seattleflamer]

I didn't read the statutes and maybe AZ is different but my experience with initiatives/referenda is a short conversation with petitioner about registering to vote and the topic at hand. Literally 5 minutes, if that.

The elections commission verifies only a sample of those signatures to contact information to validate.

They will easily get their signatures. My question is whether the resulting vote is binding?

What a mess...

[landshark]

Originally Posted by valo403

If that's the method they choose they'll likely be seeing pretty much all of those signatures declared invalid. This isn't a petition to keep Nickleback from playing the NHL awards, there are fairly strict procedural requirements here. People are going to need to actually take more than 5 seconds to sign this while walking into the mall.

Hog wash! There is no reason to invalidate those signatures. Clearly you didn't read the link you posted. To verify, small % will be contacted and asked if they signed the petition. They will say yes - confirmed. This is the US - understanding what you sign is not required.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by seattleflamer

I didn't read the statutes and maybe AZ is different but my experience with initiatives/referenda is a short conversation with petitioner about registering to vote and the topic at hand. Literally 5 minutes, if that.

The elections commission verifies only a sample of those signatures to contact information to validate.

They will easily get their signatures. My question is whether the resulting vote is binding?

What a mess...

I'm not sure why you think it will be so easy. We're talking about getting 10% of voters to not only be for the referendum, but to also be willing to take the time to go through with the process. I expect they'll get the target, but the idea that it will be an easy task seems to be a bit much.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by landshark

Hog wash! There is no reason to invalidate those signatures. Clearly you didn't read the link you posted. To verify, small % will be contacted and asked if they signed the petition. They will say yes - confirmed. This is the US - understanding what you sign is not required.

Did you read it? There are formalities that must be complied with, you seem to think this is as simple as signing your name on a sheet of paper. Read title 19 again, particularly 19-112.

[Notorious Honey Badger]

It'll be worth the Coyotes moving just to see valo throw a tantrum. I have no idea why you're so fervently behind this team sucking up dollars in the glendale area from other NHL clubs, including the Flames.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Notorious Honey Badger

It'll be worth the Coyotes moving just to see valo throw a tantrum. I have no idea why you're so fervently behind this team sucking up dollars in the glendale area from other NHL clubs, including the Flames.

Why would I throw a tantrum? Unless they're moving into MSG the location of the Coyotes has absolutely zero impact on my life, which I'm pretty sure is the same amount it has on yours.

Somehow discussing the multiple legal and business issues at play means I'm "fervently behind this team sucking up dollars in the glendale", which I have to admit is a very novel argument.

[Daradon]

The big question is, is the leagues stance on this going to change after they take control of the Devils?

I know Bettman doesn't have any actual power, but you gotta believe most of those on the BoG take his recommendations, even look to him for leadership. With the league owning two franchises I gotta think the BoG/owners are going to start wanting better and quicker answers to the leagues problems.

[landshark]

Originally Posted by valo403

Did you read it? There are formalities that must be complied with, you seem to think this is as simple as signing your name on a sheet of paper. Read title 19 again, particularly 19-112.

You're not understanding it - those requirements are for the collector of the signatures, not the people doing the actual signing.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by landshark

You're not understanding it - those requirements are for the collector of the signatures, not the people doing the actual signing.

I understand that. My point is that just standing outside a mall with pen and paper doesn't do the trick. I still think they'll get it, but there's some effort involved and with the general apathetic attitude most people have to these things the idea that this will be a quick afternoon's work is kind of far fetched.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Daradon

The big question is, is the leagues stance on this going to change after they take control of the Devils?

I know Bettman doesn't have any actual power, but you gotta believe most of those on the BoG take his recommendations, even look to him for leadership. With the league owning two franchises I gotta think the BoG/owners are going to start wanting better and quicker answers to the leagues problems.

I don't believe the league will be taking ownership of the Devils, they'll be taking control much like they did with the Stars.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't believe the league will be taking ownership of the Devils, they'll be taking control much like they did with the Stars.

What exactly is the difference? (I'm not being sarcastic, I'm asking honestly so I can understand the situation better) And do they still have 'control' of the Stars?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by valo403

Why would I throw a tantrum? Unless they're moving into MSG the location of the Coyotes has absolutely zero impact on my life, which I'm pretty sure is the same amount it has on yours.

Doesn't it though? It affects people who would like to see a healthy hockey team return to a hockey-based city. If you watch future Nordiques games on TV for your personal satisfaction, it does affect your life directly.

Plus, 30 healthy teams is much better for the success of the league than 29 healthy teams no matter how you look at it. Even if you don't think it affects your life directly, the issue is higher than that... and some people look at it as such.