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Old 06-13-2012, 11:33 AM   #61
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Great news for Rerun! Now you know that you can trust the Liberals!
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Old 06-13-2012, 02:56 PM   #62
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Great news for Rerun! Now you know that you can trust the Liberals!
Hold your horses! Stop the presses.

What I said was that I was a little less pessimistic about politicians (meaning in general)... but the Liberal Party? No fracking way!!! Wouldn't trust 99.9% of most Liberals as far as I could throw one.
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Hold your horses! Stop the presses.

What I said was that I was a little less pessimistic about politicians (meaning in general)... but the Liberal Party? No fracking way!!! Wouldn't trust 99.9% of most Liberals as far as I could throw one.
Hey, you asked the question, and Bob Rae answered for you today. I'm on my way over to pick up that Liberal membership you PM'd me about!
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Beyond that, his decision not to run will lessen the internecine tension that has afflicted the Liberals for decades. Already, the party was dividing into two camps: those who wanted Mr. Rae to lead the party into the next election, and those who wanted anyone but Mr. Rae in that job.
Good for him. I would have definitely been in the "anyone but Rae" camp.
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Hey, you asked the question, and Bob Rae answered for you today. I'm on my way over to pick up that Liberal membership you PM'd me about!
And I'm glad he did. I'm happy to know that there's at least one honest and honorable Liberal politician out there. Good for him. Some times its real tough to go against peer pressure..

Two thumbs up for Bob!
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Can you trust Rerun to man up and admit it when he gets completely owned?
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The Post's list of possible leadership contenders:

Marc Garneau

Pros: Former astronaut. Has also served as president of the Canadian Space Agency, chancellor of Carleton University, and Liberal House leader since the last election. A solid performer in caucus.

Cons: Lacks the fiery invective and witty turns of phrase of other potential leaders. Hasn't shown the ability to inspire the troops or land a knockout punch on opponents. At 63, is the same age as Rae.


David McGuinty

Pros: A firebrand who can go toe-to-toe with the best of them. Comes from a family steeped in politics — meaning he has access to a well-tuned machine that has already kept one of his brothers Ontario premier for nearly a decade.

Cons: Is Dalton McGuinty's brother. To many in Ontario, that is not a good thing. Lacks name recognition across the rest of the country and has shown ambition but not necessarily a propensity for leadership.


Justin Trudeau

Pros: Bears the Trudeau name, which can still excite people. Seen as a breath of fresh air in the House of Commons. Beat the odds and bloodied one Conservative in a charity boxing match. Charismatic and has nice hair.

Cons: He's a Trudeau, which makes him divisive in some parts of the country. Hasn't explained what he stands for. Some think he has yet to escape daddy's shadow.


Gerard Kennedy

Pros: A former Ontario education minister credited with bolstering the public school system's credibility. Lost Ontario Liberal Party leadership to Dalton McGuinty on the last ballot. Came in fourth in the 2006 leadership race and the other three — Dion, Ignatieff and Rae — have already had their turn.

Cons: Better known for single-handedly handing Stephane Dion the party crown in 2006 than for anything he did in the House of Commons. Some have not forgiven him for that. Lost in the last federal election to the NDP's Peggy Nash by 8,000 votes.


Mark Holland

Pros: A Liberal version of John Baird — young, a fine orator and willing to tussle with anyone and everyone. First elected to Parliament in 2004 at age 29 after working as a city councillor outside Toronto. Was one of the most hated Liberal MPs among Conservatives.

Cons: Another defeated Liberal: Lost in the last federal election to Tory up-and-comer Chris Alexander.


Martha Hall Findlay

Pros: Was the darling of the 2006 Liberal leadership race, which raised her profile through much of the country. Has remained extremely active despite being defeated in the last federal election.

Cons: Doesn't have much of a track record, compounded by the fact she doesn't have a seat. Placed last in the 2006 leadership race.


Dominic Leblanc

Pros: Son of a respected governor general, the late Romeo Leblanc. Served for a time as chair of the Liberals' Atlantic caucus. Has held a variety of high-profile critic positions.

Cons: Candidacy in the 2008 leadership campaign to replace Stephane Dion was a non-starter. Has been largely a non-factor in Parliament since then.


David Bertschi

Pros: Has a head start on others by having put together an exploratory committee and delivered a speech at the Economic Club of Canada. Doesn't have a ton of baggage.

Cons: Zero name recognition. Lost to a Conservative lightweight — MP Royal Galipeau — in the last election.


Mark Carney

Pros: A dream candidate to many Liberals. Economic credentials unquestioned given four years experience as Bank of Canada governor and recent appointment as chairman of a G20 board charged with providing advice on the global financial system.

Cons: Has only been in his current job four out of what is traditionally a seven-year term. Oh, and he's never said whether he's a Liberal. Let's try back in a few years.


Naheed Nenshi

Pros: Surged into the public consciousness with his surprise election as Calgary mayor in October 2010. Young, funny, educated, a visible minority and a Grit in the West. Does he represent the Liberal Party's resurgent future?

Cons: Has said he's not interested this time around. Still building national name recognition.


Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/po...#ixzz1xjXXNpUH

Our Mayor is of course not running. Ridiculous to include him in this list. Not only that, it's innacurate to call him a "Grit". He has no party affiliation at all.
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And I'm glad he did. I'm happy to know that there's at least one honest and honorable Liberal politician out there. Good for him. Some times its real tough to go against peer pressure..

Two thumbs up for Bob!
If Rae thought he would win he would have definitely run. I don't give him much credit for not doing something he seriously thought about doing.
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If Rae thought he would win he would have definitely run.
If he was going to run he would've undoubtedly been the front-runner.
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David Bertschi

Pros: Has a head start on others by having put together an exploratory committee and delivered a speech at the Economic Club of Canada. Doesn't have a ton of baggage.

Cons: Zero name recognition. Lost to a Conservative lightweight — MP Royal Galipeau — in the last election.
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Can you trust Rerun to man up and admit it when he gets completely owned?
I admit it.. I was completely wrong about Bob. As for the Liberal party? Thats still up for debate because it still sounds like they were going to change the rules so Bob could run if he wanted to.

... and even if they didn't change the rules, which of course they haven't, still doesn't make them trustworthy. We have too much evidence to the contrary over the past 50 years.

Not saying the Conservatives haven't broken promisses... they have. But the Libs are so far ahead of the pack in this aspect that its not even a race. Lets just say that I find the Libs a little more "flexible" (is that a nice way to say it?) when making policy decisions that may contradict past statements or official Liberal platforms/dogma. They tend to blow with the wind of current public opinion a little more than the other parties.... and it certainly has worked for them... all you have to do is look at there record as the party in power.
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If Rae thought he would win he would have definitely run. I don't give him much credit for not doing something he seriously thought about doing.
Or maybe he did think he would win... but he just decided that he didn't want to be the Captain of a sinking ship... who knows.

Only Bob really knows his reasons for not running.
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Naheed Nenshi

Pros: Surged into the public consciousness with his surprise election as Calgary mayor in October 2010. Young, funny, educated, a visible minority and a Grit in the West. Does he represent the Liberal Party's resurgent future?

Cons: Has said he's not interested this time around. Still building national name recognition.


Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/po...#ixzz1xjXXNpUH

Our Mayor is of course not running. Ridiculous to include him in this list. Not only that, it's innacurate to call him a "Grit". He has no party affiliation at all.
I assume that they must have gotten that bit of info somewhere. I would be shocked if he declared himself a Conservative supporter.

... one other thing... I really find it quite surprising that redneck Calgary continuously elects "Liberal" mayors. I think Ralph was one of the few "Conservative" mayors and if memory serves me correctly, even he started out as a Liberal party supporter.
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I admit it.. I was completely wrong about Bob. As for the Liberal party? Thats still up for debate because it still sounds like they were going to change the rules so Bob could run if he wanted to.

... and even if they didn't change the rules, which of course they haven't, still doesn't make them trustworthy. We have too much evidence to the contrary over the past 50 years.

Not saying the Conservatives haven't broken promisses... they have. But the Libs are so far ahead of the pack in this aspect that its not even a race. Lets just say that I find the Libs a little more "flexible" (is that a nice way to say it?) when making policy decisions that may contradict past statements or official Liberal platforms/dogma. They tend to blow with the wind of current public opinion a little more than the other parties.... and it certainly has worked for them... all you have to do is look at there record as the party in power.
Care to explain what makes the Conservatives so trustworthy, and why exactly the Liberals are so far ahead of the pack of untrustworthiness?
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I admit it.. I was completely wrong about Bob. As for the Liberal party? Thats still up for debate because it still sounds like they were going to change the rules so Bob could run if he wanted to.

... and even if they didn't change the rules, which of course they haven't, still doesn't make them trustworthy. We have too much evidence to the contrary over the past 50 years.

Not saying the Conservatives haven't broken promisses... they have. But the Libs are so far ahead of the pack in this aspect that its not even a race. Lets just say that I find the Libs a little more "flexible" (is that a nice way to say it?) when making policy decisions that may contradict past statements or official Liberal platforms/dogma. They tend to blow with the wind of current public opinion a little more than the other parties.... and it certainly has worked for them... all you have to do is look at there record as the party in power.
I'd rather have a party I can trust to back away from promises they shouldn't have made than one that will keep all their promises, no matter how stupid.

But the reason the that the Libs have been in power isn't that they are more "flexible". It's because they have the median voter, and that's an inherently stable place to be.

Let's look at some examples of Conservative "flexibility", shall we?

- In 2004, Harper proposed a coalition with the Bloc and NDP to then governor general Adrienne Clarkson. In 2008, he claimed that such a colation, replacing the Conservatives with the Liberals, would be an illegitimate, unholy alliance.

- Stephen Harper is a trained economist, which means he surely knew that GST cuts are economically inefficient vs the likes of income tax cuts. He went ahead and did it anyways, presumably for political points. Now, this isn't flexibility relative to past promises, but flexibility with regards to what's actually good for the country. Still, it's a type of flexibility that makes one untrustworthy as a leader.

- When it was clear that their 2008 mini-budget would be defeated, they changed their economic course completely and went from no stimulus to $30 billion in stimulus for the 2009 budget.

If anything, I would argue that the Conservatives have to more flexible than the Liberals - otherwise they'd find getting into and staying in power virtually impossible.

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Care to explain what makes the Conservatives so trustworthy, and why exactly the Liberals are so far ahead of the pack of untrustworthiness?
Not sure how to explain how I believe the the Conservatives are inheirantly more trustworthy than the Libs... perhaps they aren't but thats not my belief. One tends to believe more in the party they support, I suspose, than those they do not.

As for the Libs being so far ahead of the pack... its obvious. They have been the ruling party for so many years in Canada (far exceeding the Conservatives) that of course their record of promise breaking or bending, is much worse than that of the CPC.
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Not sure how to explain how I believe the the Conservatives are inheirantly more trustworthy than the Libs... perhaps they aren't but thats not my belief. One tends to believe more in the party they support, I suspose, than those they do not.

As for the Libs being so far ahead of the pack... its obvious. They have been the ruling party for so many years in Canada (far exceeding the Conservatives) that of course their record of promise breaking or bending, is much worse than that of the CPC.
To the first point, I guess there is no way to explain how you feel. It is how you feel after all. I personally don't trust either party much more than the other, but then again I choose not to really trust politicans too much on their word. I trust their actions, so I prefer to judge a politicians record as to whether or not they are trustworthy.

As to the second point, thats pretty much irrefutable. Indeed, you have to be able to make promises to break them, and the Liberals have been the ruling party for many years. But maybe that comes back to the first point. Perhaps most people don't trust the Conservatives to keep their promises?
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I assume that they must have gotten that bit of info somewhere. I would be shocked if he declared himself a Conservative supporter.

... one other thing... I really find it quite surprising that redneck Calgary continuously elects "Liberal" mayors. I think Ralph was one of the few "Conservative" mayors and if memory serves me correctly, even he started out as a Liberal party supporter.
IIRC it was up for debate which provincial party, the Liberals or the Conservatives, Ralph would run for.
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My belief is that the longer a party and it's leader stay in power, the less I trust them.
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