Apple WWDC 2012 Thread

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

So how many features does IOS6 steal from Android?

Cause you know... that's all they do now.

Who knows, but rest assured they'll actually work properly without tinkering.

[MickMcGeough]

Anandtech with a sufficiently nerdy look at the new display:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5998/m...splay-analysis

[Lt.Spears]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Who knows, but rest assured they'll actually work properly without tinkering.

Because they had two+ years to copy the design and make minor changes right?

[Russic]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

So how many features does IOS6 steal from Android?

Cause you know... that's all they do now.

I don't know, but I'm sure somebody really cool will tell us.

[Jing]

So I am in the market for a new laptop after my last Macbook Pro (2009) died due to liquid damage. Any opinions on the 2011 Macbook Pro and Air? The 13" models for the pro and the air are being sold as refurbished units, and cost about $280 less then the 2012 Pro. It would mostly be used for school stuff and maybe a little gaming (Starcraft 2?)

The pros and cons so far for each are:

MBA
+ Portability
+ Higher res screen
+ Have an external drive so storage is not an issue (atleast I don't think so)
- Small storage (128gb SSD)

MBP
+ More storage space
+ I have 8gb ram from my old MBP which would fit in the 2011 MBP

I am also open to getting a windows laptop. Any advice would be appreciated!

[Deuce Bigalow]

Originally Posted by Jing

So I am in the market for a new laptop after my last Macbook Pro (2009) died due to liquid damage. Any opinions on the 2011 Macbook Pro and Air? The 13" models for the pro and the air are being sold as refurbished units, and cost about $280 less then the 2012 Pro. It would mostly be used for school stuff and maybe a little gaming (Starcraft 2?)

The pros and cons so far for each are:

MBA
+ Portability
+ Higher res screen
+ Have an external drive so storage is not an issue (atleast I don't think so)
- Small storage (128gb SSD)

MBP
+ More storage space
+ I have 8gb ram from my old MBP which would fit in the 2011 MBP

I am also open to getting a windows laptop. Any advice would be appreciated!

I went from a 15" 2010 mbp -> 2011mba and love the switch. I do programming / photoshop and it handles them all well for my needs (granted not doing anything too intensive). I'm not a gamer, so I can't help you out there, but I also run a windows 7 vm via parallels and it handles that no problem, its nice to just be able to swipe inbetween two OS's.

I'll probably upgrade the sdd to 240gb here in the near future, doubles the speed etc of the factory one, so that should provide a good performance boost too. http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC/Aura_Pro_Express

[sun]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I wouldn't be surprised if the iMac quietly received an internal spec boost (CPU, GPU, maybe RAM) in a month or two and then we get a completely redesigned model in 2013.

Is this the word on the street, or just your opinion? Trying to decide if I should keep holding off or upgrade now.

[MickMcGeough]

Originally Posted by sun

Is this the word on the street, or just your opinion? Trying to decide if I should keep holding off or upgrade now.

Word is there's nothing coming for desktops until next year.

[sun]

Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

Word is there's nothing coming for desktops until next year.

Thanks for the link. I wonder if "next year" means Jan 2013 or Dec 2013. I think I'll buy now and upgrade this time next year. If they have non-reflective screens, I'll probably be able to justify it to myself.

[silentsim]

Apple PR confirmed Mac Pro next year but no comment on iMac...according to macrumors. I still think iMac will get a spec and launch update alongside mountain lion

[MrMastodonFarm]

Anyone wanna run down any neat new features on iOS, or any taken from Android that are updated and improved?

I skipped through the presentation yesterday evening and the QRcode library thing was pretty interested and neat I though.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Yeah. It's just me being curmudgeonly. I've tried voice recognition all the way back to the earliest versions of Dragon Dictate and IBM ViaVoice (and subsequently..ViaVoice integrated into OS/2 Warp 4...), and never got comfortable with it.

I love my computers, but I don't like talking to them.

I'm in the same boat, I've used the voice on my Android (nexus s) to make calls and send txts before, but it's been limited. The Apple Siri commercials with celebrities have been their worst IMO.

[MickMcGeough]

Heads up for any hardware nerds looking at the new MBP - they're apparently very hard to customize/upgrade:

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/13/...om-components/

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

Heads up for any hardware nerds looking at the new MBP - they're apparently very hard to customize/upgrade:

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/13/...om-components/

Yeah, iFixIt is wholly unimpressed:

On top of being glued together, the new MacBook Pro is virtually non-upgradeable—making it the first MacBook Pro that will be unable to adapt to future advances in memory and storage technology.

http://ifixit.org/2753/macbook-pro-w...play-teardown/

[DownInFlames]

I'm canceling my order. I still have too many questions to plunk down over $3000 on a computer. And knowing I'll likely never be able to upgrade the RAM is the final straw.

[silentsim]

Im still gonna get it! Don't mind the non-upgradable ram part, i'll just order it with the amount of RAM I want. I expected nothing to be user-replacable like the Air when I saw the custom components part of the presentation.

[DownInFlames]

I'll probably get one eventually. I just want to make sure it's worth the investment, especially if I have to pay a premium for extra RAM.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I'm canceling my order. I still have too many questions to plunk down over $3000 on a computer. And knowing I'll likely never be able to upgrade the RAM is the final straw.

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I'll probably get one eventually. I just want to make sure it's worth the investment, especially if I have to pay a premium for extra RAM.

$200 for an extra 8 GB of RAM is hardly a huge premium, and at that point you're rocking 16 GB.

Folks are vastly overreacting to the lack of upgradability. Seriously, what in the next 3-4 years, is going to require significantly more RAM than we have now? If you think having 16GB is important, get it now, and realize that amortized over 4 years, that extra $200 cost you a whopping $4 per month..oh noes.

How about all those non-socketed chips on every single laptop motherboard out there? How come iFixit isn't up in arms about the fact that a single chip failure on any modern laptop means a hugely expensive motherboard replacement, including the soldered in CPU.

Seems like a non-story, from a company (iFixit) that is in the business of selling tools and parts to take these machines apart.

[silentsim]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

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Seems like a non-story, from a company (iFixit) that is in the business of selling tools and parts to take these machines apart.

I like IFixIt, but yes, it is highly in their best interest that people don't buy these new apple machines with non-replacable parts as that is where they drive all their business from.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by silentsim

I like IFixIt, but yes, it is highly in their best interest that people don't buy these new apple machines with non-replacable parts as that is where they drive all their business from.

I also like how they neglect to mention why those chips are soldered in - besides the mechanical space savings, there are significant power savings at hand - removable RAM needs highed voltages and current to overcome noise and signal degradation, plus larger/more support chips to handle buffering and switching requirements inherent with longer signal traces.

It's not a (entirely) devious attempt by Apple to reduce upgradability - it improves performance, power consumption, as well as mechanical reliability.