Texas dad beats 4-year-old daughter's alleged attacker to death

[mikey_the_redneck]

I see it as a natural parental instinct to protect your children from harm with lethal force if necessary, ....just like when momma bear knocks someone's head off for messing with the cubs.....it's the circle of life.

[Forever Flames]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

That's a fallacious argument, and you know it.

Just because some people think that beating a man to death is going beyond the level of force necessary to protect a child from sexual abuse doesn't mean they don't want to see sufficient action taken to protect innocents from molesters. That's the kind of facile "you're either with us or you're with the child predators" argument we've recently seen from morons like Vic Toews.

And just because some of us think he deserved it doesn't make us wrong or bad people, that's the only argument I'm trying to make.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I see it as a natural parental instinct to protect your children from harm with lethal force if necessary, ....just like when momma bear knocks someone's head off for messing with the cubs.....it's the circle of life.

And what is it to be human, other than to have the ability to overcome our instincts?

[Forever Flames]

Originally Posted by driveway

And what is it to be human, other than to have the ability to overcome our instincts?

You're posting in a thread where someone molested a 4 year old girl and you are somehow trying to make a point that humans are "better" than animals?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Forever Flames

You're posting in a thread where someone molested a 4 year old girl and you are somehow trying to make a point that humans are "better" than animals?

His point is us humans have this great brain of ours that allows us to think rationally rather than on instinct like most animals have to.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by driveway

And what is it to be human, other than to have the ability to overcome our instincts?

Instincts are built into us for a reason....to help us in certain circumstances. While we are capable of self control and higher logic, instincts should not be abandoned or ignored outright. I think that would be impossible actually.

At the end of the day ....you just don't mess with a mans family. Hopefully the father gets community service or less.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

His point is us humans have this great brain of ours that allows us to think rationally rather than on instinct like most animals have to.

Unfortunately humans are not as far evolved from animals as most think. Humans are more evolved but very far from perfect and logical. We are all still highly instinctive and rash in life & death situations.

[Forever Flames]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

His point is us humans have this great brain of ours that allows us to think rationally rather than on instinct like most animals have to.

And this great brain has served humanity so well that we couldn't learn a few positive things from animals instincts?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Indeed, emotion always prevents one from thinking rationally. This is why political parties always try to appeal to emotion because its a whole lot easier to do. Obviously this guy wasn't beating the molester thinking "Oh crap, I better control myself or I could end up facing very serious consequences". He was thinking "This guy is molesting my daughter, I have to stop him however I can" and his actions obviously reflect that. I've stated in this thread already I'm on the guys side and hope he walks, but I also understand the other side of the coin as well.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by First Lady

then finds a some guy on top of her, she's screaming and likely bleeding from god knows where....

Is there any evidence of this or is pure hyperbole?

This may be difficult to understand, but its not right to just make things up to support your position.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Forever Flames

And this great brain has served humanity so well that we couldn't learn a few positive things from animals instincts?

I'd say so yes, unless of course you think that life was better for our ancestors thousands of years ago.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Forever Flames

Make the argument, don't judge me. I have a conscience and feel guilty for things I've done so don't paint me with your condescending brush. I could argue there is something morally wrong with someone who isn't willing to do what it takes to protect their fellow man from molesters, rapists, murderers etc.

I have no moral shortcoming and this topic might be a little too broad and expansive for you, you likely lack the life experience of going through this kind of loss and trauma to judge someone as having a moral shortcoming.

Blood lust is a moral shortcoming IMO.

[cam_wmh]

Does the legal system in Texas, allow the defendant to plead temporary insanity? The amount of furious rage many of us would find ourselves in this situation, would put normal logical outside our course of immediate thinking.

So 30 days in the puzzle palace, and a conditional discharge. Ya, I think that's fair.

[MarchHare]

Does the legal system in Texas, allow the defendant to plead temporary insanity? The amount of furious rage many of us would find ourselves in this situation, would put normal logical outside our course of immediate thinking.

That's not the legal definition of insanity.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Does the legal system in Texas, allow the defendant to plead temporary insanity? The amount of furious rage many of us would find ourselves in this situation, would put normal logical outside our course of immediate thinking.

So 30 days in the puzzle palace, and a conditional discharge. Ya, I think that's fair.

There's no issue of insanity here, temporary or otherwise. It's a pretty clear case of defense. The only questions would be a) does the story check out, and b) was the amount of force used excessive.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Instincts are built into us for a reason....to help us in certain circumstances. While we are capable of self control and higher logic, instincts should not be abandoned or ignored outright. I think that would be impossible actually.

Well the accused rapist seemed to be going with his instincts and turning off his higher logic and self control. So I'm confused, whose side are you on?

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Is there any evidence of this or is pure hyperbole?

This may be difficult to understand, but its not right to just make things up to support your position.

Without a doubt. I was trying to illustrate what the father might have been confronted with; that's why I used the word "likely" and not "was".

Given though there was penetration, she is 4 years old and attacker an adult. Sadly I'm probably not far off.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Without a doubt. I was trying to illustrate what the father might have been confronted with; that's why I used the word "likely" and not "was".

Given though there was penetration, she is 4 years old and attacker an adult. Sadly I'm probably not far off.

That isn't in the article posted in your OP - is there another article I missed?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Well the accused rapist seemed to be going with his instincts and turning off his higher logic and self control. So I'm confused, whose side are you on?

I don't think of a sexual perversion or a mental illness as "instinct".
The instinct I was talking about is the protective instinct we all have toward our kids and loved ones.

Instincts can work for or against you though. For example if you were starving to death you may harm someone to take what they have just to survive.

A man who cannot lay the hammer down on someone threatening their family is a neutered slave. Men are in an unfortunate position these days, having to chose between protecting your family from danger or jail time.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

That isn't in the article posted in your OP - is there another article I missed?

Yes, one I read today.