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Erick Estrada · 06-13-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by trackercowe

The funniest part was Stern calling Steven A Smith a real reporter.

More of a shot at Rome (now with CBS who doesn't cover the NBA) because he's no longer affiliated with ESPN (NBA partner) than giving props to Smith. Atr least I hope for his sake.

IntenseFan · 06-13-2012, 02:02 PM

For anyone listening to the audio that myself and another poster linked to this thread, it starts to go south around 7:40 in.

My take on it is this, Stern overreacted to the question and took greater offense than necessary (not saying it wasn't offensive, just not as offensive as he made it out to be). Then Rome overreacted to the overreaction (i.e. snarling at Stren over his professional reputation).

There were a couple of chances by both to back off and leave things less hostile. Neither is the type to do so, however.

Erick Estrada · 06-13-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IntenseFan

For anyone listening to the audio that myself and another poster linked to this thread, it starts to go south around 7:40 in.

My take on it is this, Stern overreacted to the question and took greater offense than necessary (not saying it wasn't offensive, just not as offensive as he made it out to be). Then Rome overreacted to the overreaction (i.e. snarling at Stren over his professional reputation).

There were a couple of chances by both to back off and leave things less hostile. Neither is the type to do so, however.

The wife beating comments even in context were extremely poorly chosen IMO. Extremely poor.

IntenseFan · 06-13-2012, 02:07 PM

^ Yes, that to me was more offensive than what Stern said about how Rome had made a career over such "cheap thrills". But Rome went nova over the career remarks and was much less reactive to the wife beating comment.

daveinspruce · 06-13-2012, 02:21 PM

You think the NBA is fixed imagine the odds of Pittsburg and Washington coming out of the lock- out and they win the draft lottery 1-2.. Then Calgary and Edmonton get 24-25 and it was done behind close doors....yaaa riggghtt.
The fix was in that year!

Blaster86 · 06-13-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by daveinspruce

You think the NBA is fixed imagine the odds of Pittsburg and Washington coming out of the lock- out and they win the draft lottery 1-2.. Then Calgary and Edmonton get 24-25 and it was done behind close doors....yaaa riggghtt.
The fix was in that year!

Yeah... Washington picked second that year.. not 14th... Wait, what? Anaheim has a team? Noooooooooooooooooooo. Who the hell is Bobby Ryan?

I vote we lynch the NHL head office for this.

Senator Clay Davis · 06-13-2012, 02:35 PM

The difference between suggesting the NHL fixes things and the NBA does is that the NBA has pretty sketchy history of potentially fixed things whereas the NHL really has no such history. I'd wager that anywhere from 30 to 50% of people who watch the NBA don't think its completely on the up and up.

corporatejay · 06-13-2012, 02:45 PM

Can we change the title to "David Stern". I thought Bettman was on Howard Stern.

Flabbibulin · 06-13-2012, 02:55 PM

1 month Jungle Insider subscriptions are undoubtedly going through the roof today.

Im sure Rome will spend the entire show tomorrow on this.

bluck · 06-13-2012, 03:13 PM

To funny haha I caught the tail end of that , good on Rome

Vulcan · 06-13-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The wife beating comments even in context were extremely poorly chosen IMO. Extremely poor.

He wasn't serious about the wife beating comment, it was just an example of a question that is stupid and impossible to answer.

A way to stop the speculation with the draft lottery is to do it on national TV with some hot little bimbo drawing the bingo balls. The NHL should take notes on this as well.

Redrum · 06-13-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

A way to stop the speculation with the draft lottery is to do it on national TV with some hot little bimbo drawing the bingo balls. The NHL should take notes on this as well.

But then when they actually do want to fix it like in 05, they'll have eyes on them.

carom · 06-13-2012, 05:38 PM

Haven't listen yet by this goes all the way back to the first NBA draft lottery in 1985, the "frozen envelope" or "bent envelope". Guess who was commish in 1985.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...1985_NBA_Draft

bluejays · 06-13-2012, 06:18 PM

After listening to it, it was a loaded question asked by Rome to corner Stern. Either way of answering it would have been implicating that the draft is fixed. Stern had a great comeback IMO, moreso to go head to head with him in lawyer-speak than to implicate he beats his wife. Dramatic, but a guy like Rome deserved it. If he asked something simple about fixing and the process of the lottary without implying Stern or the League were fixing it, sure Stern would have answered the business question. But he decided to do it the #### way, and he argued with a lawyer, so guess who won? I'm not a fan of Stern, or Rome, but Rome really took it up the butt.

GGG · 06-13-2012, 06:28 PM

The funny thing thing is the fix question is so easy to answer no to. The benefit of rigging the draft for a potential superstar to go to a small martet league owned team is what? Maybe 100 million increase in the value of the team. the consequences of getting caught are measured in the billions. And if they were going to rig the lottery wouldn't they rig it to give him to a big market team instead of a small market one and given the pick to New Jersey / Brooklyn?

If Durant was in New York instead of Oklahoma the NBA makes millions more dollars so I am not sure there is any net benefit to the NBA for rigging the lottery

carom · 06-13-2012, 06:44 PM

Ok after listening to that I'm pretty impressed. I was of the belief that Rome had got pretty soft over the years and wasnt asking the hard questions anymore, even though he claims to always ask the hard questions. I am sure he went hard after Stern because he is in bed with CBS now and doesn't have as much to lose, but that was a very entertaining exchange and I dont think Rome comes out as bad looking as Stern does. Stern was most defiantly on the defensive and to me comes across as cheap and petty. I for one would be happy to see more high level sports execs and politicians put in positions like this, more like the real world and less like a fake ideal world. I am a Rome fan and don't hide it so I am biased, but I am impressed with that interview.

Red Ice Player · 06-13-2012, 07:14 PM

Stern could have handled it better, but he has every right to get severely pissed reacting to a bush league question that smears the integrity of the organization he represents. Getting asked that question sounded like an accusation to me, and it certainly sounded that way to Stern. I have zero sympathy for Rome.

casucks · 06-14-2012, 07:34 AM

The anger and defensiveness of Sterns reaction show a guilty conscience to me! Very similar to a child lying about stealing a cookie!

Erick Estrada · 06-14-2012, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

He wasn't serious about the wife beating comment, it was just an example of a question that is stupid and impossible to answer.

A way to stop the speculation with the draft lottery is to do it on national TV with some hot little bimbo drawing the bingo balls. The NHL should take notes on this as well.

You obviously don't understand the meaning of my original post;

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The wife beating comments even in context were extremely poorly chosen IMO. Extremely poor.

When I say 'even in context' it means I know exactly that he wasn't serious about the wife beating comment but that doesn't mean it's still not a poor choice of words for a comissioner on national radio.

Erick Estrada · 06-14-2012, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by carom

Haven't listen yet by this goes all the way back to the first NBA draft lottery in 1985, the "frozen envelope" or "bent envelope". Guess who was commish in 1985.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...1985_NBA_Draft

There's no shortage of these type of incidents and the NBA is the only professional sport that seems to have so many red flags. It's the first North American professional sport where an official came forward admitting there was a fix in. The league smeared Tim Donaghy enough to quietly slip the ordeal under the rug but if you do the digging you will find that there is a very good chance that he was telling the truth;

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Philip Scala, the recently retired FBI supervisory special agent in charge of the Gambino squad, which uncovered Donaghy's scheme of betting on basketball games he had officiated, said he believes the disgraced referee's claims that other refs were dirty.

There's just so much money involved in professional sports that it's simply not in the best interests to dig deep enough to destroy the foundation which is why this issue was never pressed and just faded away.

It seems like the NBA draft lottery seems to be awfully generous to scenerios that would be in the league's best interest. I mean in 2008 the Bulls had a 1.7% of winning the draft lottery which is nearly impossible yet the 3rd biggest and important markets pulls off the miracle. Okay maybe once this can happen but in 1993 when an emerging market (Orlando) with a massively marketed star in Shaq was floundering needing surrounding talent badly to prop him up with a 1.52% chance of winning the lottery pulls off the upset. We are talking about picking one of 15 balls in 1000. Possible? Yes but on multiple occasions and there are never instances of the Raptors, Timberwolves, Hornets, Kings, etc. When these extremely low odds upsets happen it's always in the league's favour.

Let's face it. The NBA stinks and Stern's no less crooked than any of the most crooked CEO's in business.