General Ongoing Coyotes saga thread

[valo403]

Originally Posted by troutman

You are judge and jury on what is important for everyone?

Where did I say anything about what's important to people?

I asked how the presence of a team in Phoenix impacts you negatively. If the best people can come up with is 'I'd be happier' than I rest my case.

[Notorious Honey Badger]

Originally Posted by valo403

Where did I say anything about what's important to people?

I asked how the presence of a team in Phoenix impacts you negatively. If the best people can come up with is 'I'd be happier' than I rest my case.

How about the fact that Phoenix is draining money from every other team in the league raises ticket prices?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

How soon we forget how the Flames/Oilers were close to having to move when the Canadian economy was in the tank and the teams were consistantly losing.

There is certainly an extreme level of hypocrisy in the attitudes of some posters.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by valo403

Where did I say anything about what's important to people?

I asked how the presence of a team in Phoenix impacts you negatively. If the best people can come up with is 'I'd be happier' than I rest my case.

People are passionate about there being a team in Quebec, like Bouw is passionate about there being a team in Phoenix. No difference.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by troutman

People are passionate about there being a team in Quebec, like Bouw is passionate about there being a team in Phoenix. No difference.

I don't think anyone outside of Quebec can actually legitimately claim to be passionate about the idea. It is one thing to analyze the data and say "I believe Quebec City would be a better choice than Phoenix for these reasons." And then we can debate the merits of that conclusion in a logical fashion.

But the venom displayed by many is, to be perfectly frank, a manifestation of our national inferiority complex. "They" stole "our" team and "we" want it back. This isn't about passion for Quebec. This is about petty hatred of the US.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I don't think anyone outside of Quebec can actually legitimately claim to be passionate about the idea. It is one thing to analyze the data and say "I believe Quebec City would be a better choice than Phoenix for these reasons." And then we can debate the merits of that conclusion in a logical debate.

Why not? The Nordiques would be my second favorite team. I loved them before they moved to Colorado.

Do you have to live in Green Bay to be a Packer fan?

[Suave]

Originally Posted by valo403

Where did I say anything about what's important to people?

I asked how the presence of a team in Phoenix impacts you negatively. If the best people can come up with is 'I'd be happier' than I rest my case.

I can't sell my tickets when Phoenix is in town for even below face value. I can sell Jets tickets for far above. The Coyotes negatively impact my wallet.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Suave

I can't sell my tickets when Phoenix is in town for even below face value. I can sell Jets tickets for far above. The Coyotes negatively impact my wallet.

Which is fair enough. On the other hand, if Phoenix moves to a more lucrative market, that probably raises the cap as league wide revenue goes up. It would be unfortunate if the Flames no longer had the revenue to be a cap team...

[troutman]

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
Judge Katherine Cooper, who is hearing today's #Glendale - #Goldwater hearing, ruled in the institute's favor in another matter this week.

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
MT @smunshi Goldwater attorney says #Glendale has negotiated deal in cover of darkness. Seeks temporary restraining order on #Coyotes vote.

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
MT @smunshi Birnbaum tells judge the court does not have the right to prevent the #Glendale vote from happening per state law. #Coyotes

[Notorious Honey Badger]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

There is certainly an extreme level of hypocrisy in the attitudes of some posters.

I think there's a massive difference. Hockey worked and was loved in Calgary and Edmonton when tough times hit. Hockey has never worked in Phoenix. Ever. And there's no reasonable reason to think it will. When Edmonton was sold to a Houston group, Bettman stepped in an intervened and it was warranted because as we see today with a good economy the Oilers are can rake in the cash.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

How can you possibly think that the vote could go any way but in favour? Are you not following this story?

Not at all..

[Slava]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think its terrible that people tend to be actively cheering for the Coyotes to leave Phoenix. I don't really care one way or another what happens but for people to actually be rooting for the franchise to leave is just weird to me. If the shoe was on the other foot I doubt people would have this mindset.

Phoenix just went through an economic class that is hurting all their sports teams and it's a big reason for the struggles (combined with their first real success being this season).

How soon we forget how the Flames/Oilers were close to having to move when the Canadian economy was in the tank and the teams were consistantly losing.

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

There is certainly an extreme level of hypocrisy in the attitudes of some posters.

There is an enormous difference though. Yes, the economy hasn't been great over the the past 3-4 years, but the Coyotes have never garnered support. When the economy was rolling in the couple of years prior the team was still having problems.

I don't think its a US v. Canada issue either. A lot of posters have noted that they would be just as happy to see the franchise in a market where hockey is appreciated. Sure, maybe that means Quebec, but there are posts about Seattle, and I don't think you would see a ton of complaining if the Hartford Whalers were back in the picture either.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Notorious Honey Badger

How about the fact that Phoenix is draining money from every other team in the league raises ticket prices?

Raises ticket prices elsewhere you mean?

If so....ridiculous.

Just doing some rudimentary math if i take the year long attendance of just the top 15 teams numbers wise in the league last year and divide it into the reported 25 million lost last year....each attendee in those markets spent about 2 bucks over the course of the season.

If i did this correctly...that argument is a non starter.

[troutman]

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
MT @smunshi Judge asks #Glendale attorneys about rush to vote. Birnbaum says NHL may get frustrated give up on dealing with city. #Coyotes

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
RT @smunshi Birnbaum: This is a separation of powers issue. Court cannot prevent action but can review action after the fact. #Coyotes

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Notorious Honey Badger

I think there's a massive difference. Hockey worked and was loved in Calgary and Edmonton when tough times hit. Hockey has never worked in Phoenix. Ever. And there's no reasonable reason to think it will. When Edmonton was sold to a Houston group, Bettman stepped in an intervened and it was warranted because as we see today with a good economy the Oilers are can rake in the cash.

No it didnt, which is why the Canadian Assitance program was implemented....you know when the league actually propped up the weak canadian teams?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by transplant99

No it didnt, which is why the Canadian Assitance program was implemented....you know when the league actually propped up the weak canadian teams?

He was talking about hockey as a whole, not the NHL game. If you're suggesting hockey still wasn't love in Edmonton and Calgary even when those teams had trouble selling out... I think you're on the screech.

It made sense to prop up those teams during the dark times because there was light at the end of the tunnel, not so much in Phoenix.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He was talking about hockey as a whole, not the NHL game. If you're suggesting hockey still wasn't love in Edmonton and Calgary even when those teams had trouble selling out... I think you're on the screech.

It made sense to prop up those teams during the dark times because there was light at the end of the tunnel, not so much in Phoenix.

Yeah i know all that, but the bottom line is that both markets were in peril of leaving at one point, regardless of how much "love" the cities had.

My point being it doesnt/shouldnt matter to anyone what the league is doing with this franchise unless you live in a city that may be the beneficiary of the move.

Im all about this thing getting resolved one way or the other as well, but it just doesnt matter which way that ends up being.

[troutman]

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadtThe court has denied a temporary restraining order on #Glendale City Council vote on #Coyotes deal.

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadtMT @smunshi Judge Cooper: Court doesn't have authority to stop #Coyotes vote but there's clear violation of court order to provide docs.

The vote will proceed today . . .

BTW, Lisa Halverstadt is an excellent reporter. Twitter is an amazing tool for following events like this.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by troutman

Lisa Halverstadt ‏@LisaHalverstadt
The court has denied a temporary restraining order on #Glendale City Council vote on #Coyotes deal.

The vote will proceed today . . .

Interesting...so the yotes are staying in all liklihood?


Again...fine, just need it dealt with one way or the other.

[Jordan!]

It's the pure devine hatred against people and a market that has made me feel embarrassed to be a Canadian hockey fan.

I haven't been a saint, but try to be in my shoes during three years of this.

btw, Judge will not stop the Vote today via Twitter. Goldwater unsuccessful.