View Poll Results: Who do you side with on this?
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Sleep Country
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Pink Haired dude
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05-28-2012, 07:00 PM
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#81
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Dion
This was the second year he had dyed his hair pink. He got nowhere with his negotiations the year before where they told him to cover it and he complied. This year the stance was much tougher with no room for negotiation. If he was doing it to be a jerk or tick off management, i'd be on the side of the company. Sleep Country deserves to be demonised when many other companies choose to allow thier employees to show thier support. And it's not like the public doesn't know what pink stands for.
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Yes and he was told last year to cover up his hair, and that the company had a policy of looking business like and professional, and as far as I know that policy hadn't changed, and he was well aware of it.
So bottom line was he intentionally broke company policy and not only that he threw it in their face and then pouted and stomped off like a 12 year old.
He didn't get fired, he quit and he's being dishonest in his presentation of it.
I need a new matress, think I'll go to sleep country.
And besides dying your hair pink doesn't represent some awe inspiring raising of awareness.
Beyond that if you look at the charities that sleep country is involved in where they actually take action from raising money to donating matresses
http://www.sleepcountry.ca/aboutus/christinemagee.aspx
They should be applauded for doing far more then showing up at work with pink hair.
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05-28-2012, 07:03 PM
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#82
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by GGG
But sleep country didnt even get a chance to work with the guy. He just showed up the first year was told to put a hat on, he did. The issue was solved in everyones eyes. If the employee was really comitted to his job and his cause he would have spent time working with sleep country to make is hair acceptable or part of a store sponsored event. He didnt, after his slacktivism was over he just waited until next year when he showed up again with the hair without any notice. How was sleep country supposed to know he would do it again and this time object to their reasonable comprimise. The onus was on him to get his cause approved. He didnt. In fact this reeks of a very creative way for a disgruntled employee to screw over his employer.
I if price is equal, will by my next bed from sleep country. They shouldnt lose buisness because of this.
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The owner of SC obviously anticipated that further events like this could happen. A clear policy on this was established with no room for negotiation and i'm quite sure all employees were made of dress and hair standards. The young man made a stand on what he believed in, lost and accepted the suspension he was going to recieve. We haven't heard why but that same young man chose to find another job. If that's screwing over an employer, then i'll have to disagree.
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05-28-2012, 07:04 PM
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#83
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by Igottago
So what is the point of this story? To paint Sleep Country with the brush that they love Cancer and are are evil tyrants towards those with pink colored hair? Totally unfair to the company.
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Yes, that's the point. To paint Sleep Country with a magical brush that lets us all know that they love cancer. I'll never buy a bed from these cancer lovers!
Really though, I don't know what the point of the story was. This is not a story that should be making it into any newspaper. But it is the Sun, after all. Mr. Pink Hair and the bed store look pretty silly, the newspaper that printed this dramatic "grunt quits one job to take another grunt job" nonsense looks even worse.
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05-28-2012, 07:04 PM
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#84
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Dion
I don't think he's being an ass. We'll agree to disagree on that.
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He's being an a$$. he clearly know Sleep Countries policy, and instead of going in and talking to them about it he chose to ignore it and throw it in their face. Then he stormed off, he wasn't fired, he quit.
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Originally Posted by Dion
We have yearly events in the city where people support cancer research and the loved ones they lost by wearing pink. Some wear shirts and other do parts or all of thier hair. Then there's the people who have thier head shaved. It's a symbolic way of showing support. One I have no problems with people doing.
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That's great and everything and I applaud that, but show me where any of those things are against the company policy of the place they work.
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Originally Posted by Dion
Sleep Country fears some old people will get scared by the pink hair which I find laughable.
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Sleep country probably knows their clients better then you do, so I don't find it laughable at all. Maybe they feel that someone that not only represents their brand but takes their brand into peoples houses should look somewhat professional.
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05-28-2012, 07:09 PM
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#85
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
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What I don't understand is how doing superficial things like dying your hair pink is going to raise awareness. Last time I checked most people are pretty aware of cancer and it's devastating effects. It's not like someone would look at his hair and say "cancer? What's that?"
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05-28-2012, 07:11 PM
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#86
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Not a casual user
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
He's being an a$$. he clearly know Sleep Countries policy, and instead of going in and talking to them about it he chose to ignore it and throw it in their face. Then he stormed off, he wasn't fired, he quit.
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I'm quite aware he chose to find another job.We just don't know the reasons why.
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That's great and everything and I applaud that, but show me where any of those things are against the company policy of the place they work.
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Explain to me why pink hair is so scarey?
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Sleep country probably knows their clients better then you do, so I don't find it laughable at all. Maybe they feel that someone that not only represents their brand but takes their brand into peoples houses should look somewhat professional.
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They certainly don't know me or my family who has lost loved ones to Cancer. We know why people wear pink and I suspect many others do also.
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05-28-2012, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
What I don't understand is how doing superficial things like dying your hair pink is going to raise awareness. Last time I checked most people are pretty aware of cancer and it's devastating effects. It's not like someone would look at his hair and say "cancer? What's that?"
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For me and many others it raises awarness to the fact these people and myself have lost loved ones to Cancer and it's thier way of getting the message out. I recognise that some disagree with this and that's fine.
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05-28-2012, 07:21 PM
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by Dion
The owner of SC obviously anticipated that further events like this could happen. A clear policy on this was established with no room for negotiation and i'm quite sure all employees were made of dress and hair standards. The young man made a stand on what he believed in, lost and accepted the suspension he was going to recieve. We haven't heard why but that same young man chose to find another job. If that's screwing over an employer, then i'll have to disagree.
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But he didn't accept their terms. He quit then bad-mouthed SC to the media out of spite and so dumb people would pat him on the back for doing nothing under the guise of doing something.
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05-28-2012, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliver
But he didn't accept their terms. He quit then bad-mouthed SC to the media out of spite and so dumb people would pat him on the back for doing nothing under the guise of doing something.
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I didn't realise I was dumb
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05-28-2012, 07:29 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Dion
They should have known from past experience he would do it again. Be procative as opposed to reactive, as i'm sure they knew the reasons why he dyed his hair pink. It might be the employees fault but also the company for missing out on a great opportunity to expand thier customer base. All they had to do is contact one of the local the media outlets and say we have a worker who is showing his support for Cancer research. Media does a human interest story on the guy and Sleep Country recieves alot of good will in community. The young man will be recognised by customers for what he's doing and noone will be intimidated by his so called scarey pink hair.
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So your point in all of this is that if they'd supported him there would have been newspaper stories on how a company allowed an employee to keep his hair pink to support a good cause?
Seriously?
No outlet runs any kind of story on that.
The only reason there's a story on their decision to disallow him is because it creates controversy. No controversy, no story.
Really thought that would be kind of obvious.
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05-28-2012, 07:32 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Yes and he was told last year to cover up his hair, and that the company had a policy of looking business like and professional, and as far as I know that policy hadn't changed, and he was well aware of it.
So bottom line was he intentionally broke company policy and not only that he threw it in their face and then pouted and stomped off like a 12 year old.
He didn't get fired, he quit and he's being dishonest in his presentation of it.
I need a new matress, think I'll go to sleep country.
And besides dying your hair pink doesn't represent some awe inspiring raising of awareness.
Beyond that if you look at the charities that sleep country is involved in where they actually take action from raising money to donating matresses
http://www.sleepcountry.ca/aboutus/christinemagee.aspx
They should be applauded for doing far more then showing up at work with pink hair.
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Accomplished cougar >>> pink haired weirdo
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05-28-2012, 07:54 PM
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#92
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Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious
So your point in all of this is that if they'd supported him there would have been newspaper stories on how a company allowed an employee to keep his hair pink to support a good cause?
Seriously?
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One of my points was that they could have gone to the media with a story of what an emplyee is doing. Employee gets to keep his hair pink for a few days and people won't get scared of his pink hair.
My other point was pointing out that people wouldn't be offended by his pink hair as many would understand why he is doing it.
Further more, I don't care what the color of anyones hair is, just as long as the service is good. I'd be concerned if someone hadn't shaved, taken a bath or dressed like a slob.
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No outlet runs any kind of story on that.
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Outlets run human interest stories all the time where people do good things.
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The only reason there's a story on their decision to disallow him is because it creates controversy. No controversy, no story.
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It's the Sun Media were talking about here. The Canadian version of the American Fox media. Thought that would be kind of obvious
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Really thought that would be kind of obvious.
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Forgive me for having a difference of an opinion than you on the issue. I'll rmember to toe the line next time and follow your policy
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05-28-2012, 08:00 PM
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#93
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by TorqueDog
So did I.
Then I graduated high school, got a real job that expected me to be presentable and that was the end of it.
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And I died my hair after I graduated high school when I already had an office job that expected me to be presentable. It's not like someone can't look presentable with a different colour of hair. Grooming, hair style and clothes do most of that.
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05-28-2012, 08:09 PM
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#94
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
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Originally Posted by Dion
Explain to me why pink hair is so scarey?
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Actually you are the one who keeps bringing up the word "scary." Myself and others have said that some people may not be comfortable with somebody who looks unprofessional being allowed into their house, their bedroom, and be the one who handles their bed.
Sleep Country has a dress code, and if it's like any similar jobs I have held the wording of the dress code would be "hair cannot be dyed un-natural colours." This guy chose to break the dress code for his own personal agenda. Possibly a worthy agenda; but still his own. Others have talked about "pants-less days." Well to a lesser extent if I decided to wear jeans to work tomorrow I would be told once to not wear them again, and the next time I'm sure I would be sent home. It doesn't matter if I am doing it to raise awareness of some disease; it is against the dress code.
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05-28-2012, 08:24 PM
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#95
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Originally Posted by ken0042
Actually you are the one who keeps bringing up the word "scary." Myself and others have said that some people may not be comfortable with somebody who looks unprofessional being allowed into their house, their bedroom, and be the one who handles their bed.
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Fair enough. Maybe the question should have been, why does one consider the color of a persons hair so unprofessional?
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Sleep Country has a dress code, and if it's like any similar jobs I have held the wording of the dress code would be "hair cannot be dyed un-natural colours." This guy chose to break the dress code for his own personal agenda. Possibly a worthy agenda; but still his own. Others have talked about "pants-less days." Well to a lesser extent if I decided to wear jeans to work tomorrow I would be told once to not wear them again, and the next time I'm sure I would be sent home. It doesn't matter if I am doing it to raise awareness of some disease; it is against the dress code.
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I just don't see how the color of ones hair is a dress code violation. I've seen some pretty weird hairdoo's and color schemes on womens hair who work professionaly and that doesn't upset me. They weren't dressed like a slob and didn't stink of BO. Most of all they gave excellent customer service. I guess my views are different from most.
That said the guy was delivering beds which IMO doesn't require much of a dress code.
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05-28-2012, 08:31 PM
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#96
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Franchise Player
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On the Sleep Country side here too.
Especially since they found a compromise last year, and this year he decided it wasn't good enough. Seems like he just wanted to push their buttons.
I'm shocked he is a mattress delivery man
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05-28-2012, 08:46 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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"Why buy a mattress anyyyyywherrre else? *ding*"
Um, because they are uppity dickwads?
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05-28-2012, 08:46 PM
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#98
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Franchise Player
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I am with the guy on this.
What would my mother expect of a delivery guy? Probably that he would look different from a doctor or lawyer. Pink hair? She'd ask him what the deal was?
I have an expectation of how certain people should dress while at work. It is a short list though. Furniture delivery guys don't make the list.
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05-28-2012, 08:53 PM
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#99
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First Line Centre
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I think this entire thing was planned by the employee. He knew that this was the policy and what the reaction of the company would be going in, but he did it anyway. He then goes running to the Sun (knowing they eat this type of crap up) without even giving the company a chance to negotiate with him?
I think he is a grade A d-bag and set SC up from the beginning. Besides, look at his finger nails in that picture!
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05-28-2012, 08:54 PM
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#100
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dion
The owner of SC obviously anticipated that further events like this could happen. A clear policy on this was established with no room for negotiation and i'm quite sure all employees were made of dress and hair standards. The young man made a stand on what he believed in, lost and accepted the suspension he was going to recieve. We haven't heard why but that same young man chose to find another job. If that's screwing over an employer, then i'll have to disagree.
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You make it sound like they changed their policy from last year. Year one he shows up with pink hair and they say put a cap on, he says okay. Year two same thing but now he refuses the cap and they suspend him. No policy changed, just this year with no warning he decided not to follow the rules.
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