RCMP ‘to ease Canadians into the idea’ of U.S. agents in Canada

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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canad...201905380.html

Uncle Sam could soon be coming after you on Canadian soil.

According to an article in Embassy Magazine, the Harper government is moving forward on several initiatives that could give U.S. FBI and DEA agents the ability to pursue suspects across the land border and into Canada.

This is interesting. They mention later in the article that this is to combat criminals escaping across the border and evading police. Although, by the phrasing it seems this is a problem for Canadian police losing suspects into the US, which confuses me as to why they want the FBI and DEA in Canada.

If this is indeed to help either side catch perpetrators on the border, then I'd think a better joint communication infastructure should be set up to allow for border intercept. Mind you, I have no idea how it's handled today but I can't imagine letting 2 US federal agencies operating rights in our country is going to do anything but piss people off.

Not only that but the article mentions US aerial surveillance as a possibility too, which does not sit well with me.

There must be more details to this though. No mention of whether or not Canadian police share the same right to enter the US, and if this is a case of a one-way operation then add an extra 100 "hell no"'s to my stance.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Well, only 3 more years of Harper as PM. Can it be 2015 yet?

[Notorious Honey Badger]

Posts like this really GMGs. This is just typical government policy at work and you left wing, liberal, tree hugging pansies make me sick

[mikey_the_redneck]

Ugh...

There is always an excues to eliminate sovereignty. Security is one of them, and people typically do not challenge of question it.

Canadian sovereignty is being destroyed incrementally through all these integrations with Uncle Sam.

Don't kid yourselves folks, if it was the NDP or the Liberals in power right now, ...this process would still be moving forward. The goal is to create a European Union system over here.

[psicodude]

I don't have an issue with this at all. Why should criminals get off scot free just because they crossed over a border? Plus, these types of people usually don't just stop being criminals because they ran here, they just set up shop in our country and become our problem.

[Notorious Honey Badger]

Originally Posted by psicodude

I don't have an issue with this at all. Why should criminals get off scot free just because they crossed over a border? Plus, these types of people usually don't just stop being criminals because they ran here, they just set up shop in our country and become our problem.

Because American police should have ZERO authority on Canadian soil unless it's their embassy.

[Senator Clay Davis]

It matters because we are a sovereign nation. Allowing the FBI or CIA to conduct their business on our soil is an invasion of a sovereign nation. Except we're going to allow it, making our country look like we'll simply bow down to the World Police. Which of course begs the question where does it stop?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Well, only 3 more years of Harper as PM. Can it be 2015 yet?

Who do you think will replace him? The bearded, semi-moronic pedo-bear? Or Bob Rae?

[Senator Clay Davis]

I'm hopeful Canada will have someone better than any of the three clowns we have as leaders step forward between now and 2015. We deserve real leadership. Yzerman for PM?

[VladtheImpaler]

Well, better the devil you know until then.

[Ozy_Flame]

I highly doubt U.S. agents don't operate in the country already.

[CaptainCrunch]

Does anyone actually know how this program works and how the certification of U.S. police personal and Canadian Police personal works under the shiprider program.

Or did we just read the first 10 lines of the article see the subscribe now and say I'm not going to subscribe but I'm angry.

There has always been interoperability between Canadian and U.S. law enforcement agencies, including U.S. law enforcement riding shotgun on investigations in Canada and vice versa.

But I don't see anything that has FBI or DEA agents smashing through Canadian Doors with guns drawn, pulling sacks over some person's head and driving them to a black jet to fly them over the border.

The fact is that Crime has taken a international flavor in North America, we're seeing a proliferation of gangs in Canada working with gangs in the States working with gangs in Mexico. We also have active fugative issues of people fleeing to Canada or to the States.

How many times have we heard of one parent kidnapping a kid and dragging them to a different city.

I don't see anywhere that states that the various law enforcement agencies are working with impunity and without supervision by the host law enforcement agency.

However on the other hand maybe it would lead to more of

[metallicat]

Oh no! They're coming to get the criminals! Police state!!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I'm hopeful Canada will have someone better than any of the three clowns we have as leaders step forward between now and 2015. We deserve real leadership. Yzerman for PM?

Good luck with that, Mulcair was the best choice for the Dippers, you'd agree with me if you watched the leadership campaign.

Bob Rae is very efficiently becoming the power in the Liberal Party and I have no doubt that he wants to be the Prime Minister, either that or they go with the flashy moron Trudeau and pray that they can win with name recognition.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Oh no! They're coming to get the criminals! Police state!!

I don't think this is what people are concerned about . . .

[CaptainCrunch]

As I read more, it looks like at least initially this involves naval law enforcement, or U.S./canadian law enforcement on boats.

They haven't even started discussing certification requirements. Nor have they started planning what the land elements are on.

This is about stopping smuggling.

Not dirty harry kicking in your door.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Good luck with that, Mulcair was the best choice for the Dippers, you'd agree with me if you watched the leadership campaign.

Bob Rae is very efficiently becoming the power in the Liberal Party and I have no doubt that he wants to be the Prime Minister, either that or they go with the flashy moron Trudeau and pray that they can win with name recognition.

Well thats the only advantage the NDP and Liberals have is time. Rae and Clownclair could both be gone in the next 18 months and that would still give them 18 more months before the election. In my opinion Mulcair will be gone by that point (as he has an awful case of FIM disease), and Rae already failed in his leadership bid and sucked badly as Ontario's Premier so I can't see him getting support from Ontario which he'll need to become leader.

Of course there's still the option that the two parties (NDP and Liberal) could consolidate into one, adopt a new more dynamic leader and that would basically ensure Harper will be on the way out the door, assuming a unified party goes more the Liberal route (to the center) than the NDP route (to the left).

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Well thats the only advantage the NDP and Liberals have is time. Rae and Clownclair could both be gone in the next 18 months and that would still give them 18 more months before the election. In my opinion Mulcair will be gone by that point (as he has an awful case of FIM disease), and Rae already failed in his leadership bid and sucked badly as Ontario's Premier so I can't see him getting support from Ontario which he'll need to become leader.

Of course there's still the option that the two parties (NDP and Liberal) could consolidate into one, adopt a new more dynamic leader and that would basically ensure Harper will be on the way out the door, assuming a unified party goes more the Liberal route (to the center) than the NDP route (to the left).

I think that any thought of merging the parties is a dream. The Liberal's realize that ship has sailed, they've become a weak party and if they merge the Liberal brand will die and the NDP would be the dominant party with the dominant leadership positions.

Right now the Liberal's and the NDP hate each other and believe me when I tell you that the NDP would love to destroy the Liberal party for all time, maybe even more hardcore then Harper does.

Convesly nobody wants to step up and take over the Liberal Party right now, its a party in disarray. The strong leaders want to see the party get even more further torn down before they steip up in a post Bob Rae world.



I think you should expect that the Conservatives will probably form another government after this one.

[Senator Clay Davis]

While the NDP and Liberals may hate each other, we know they hate Harper more. I suspect if their options are fight each other and Harper wins or band together to give the best option to eliminate Harper, that they'll swallow their pride to make it happen. I do think the Liberal brand is weak right now, but it obviously has more national appeal than the NDP brand, which is essentially stuck with union heavy BC and Quebec.

I also think if the Conservatives win again, it won't be a majority, and how can you justify keeping a leader who lost a majority they likely won't get back again? Other than the conservatives have no one better? So I think barring a miracle majority repeat for Harper, he'll be done as PM either way.

[Resolute 14]

We'll see what three years from now brings. The NDP will lose their leadership convention bump in the polls, and Mulcair's own idiocy could come back to haunt him if he is dumb enough to attack anyone but Alberta. Meanwhile, the last 18 months of this mandate will undoubtedly see the Conservatives promising the moon and buying support, just as any other government does.