Refugees and Refugee Claimants To Be Denied Healthcare By Harper Government

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Typical leftie bleeding-heart bull$hit. What did foreigners and immigrants ever do for this country?

My great-grandparents came to Canada with nothing but a Swedish surname and all they got for free was a quarter-section of fertile farmland near an Indian Reserve.

They didn't have the luxury of "health care" in those days, but they did alright.

Originally Posted by Rathji

In case you missed it, the second bold section kind of answers the first.

Originally Posted by Daradon

This is either the best ironic line ever, or you are the dumbest person I ever met.

And people thanked your response too... Wow...

Hey guys, this is RougeUnderoos, apparantly you haven't met. Keep an eye out for his posts in the future, they are some of the best/wittiest/funniest on CP, but get overlooked or missed by a lot of posters.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Hey guys, this is RougeUnderoos, apparantly you haven't met. Keep an eye out for his posts in the future, they are some of the best/wittiest/funniest on CP, but get overlooked or missed by a lot of posters.

I was seriously wondering if I was being punk'd.

No, I do know him and I usually agree with him, I just woke up without a sense of humor today apparently. As a few on here already know, that probably happens when your bed breaks and you've been sleeping on the floor for a week.

[Azure]

Yes, you got punk'd.

[burn_this_city]

If boat people can afford $50k a head to get smuggled here they can afford some glasses and a couple fillings at the dentist. I'm being sarcastic. Sorta.

[HPLovecraft]

People do understand a refugee is different from an immigrant, right? Many refugees are coming to Canada and fleeing from some of the most miserable conditions in the world. I understand wanting to save money, but to deny refugees basic medical care without pay isn't just, in my opinion, inordinately cruel, but un-Canadian.

I pay taxes like anyone else, and I'm fine with giving money for these people to help take care of themselves.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

I dont believe that Canadian taxpayers should have to pay to fix someones pre-existing conditions just because they have refugee status. You have bad teeth or a wonky eye before you show up, you have lived with those for X years, you can live with them another Y years until your refugee claim is either approved or denied.

You can really tell the posters who have never had any form of chronic illness. The lack of empathy is borderline psychopathic.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

People do understand a refugee is different from an immigrant, right? Many refugees are coming to Canada and fleeing from some of the most miserable conditions in the world. I understand wanting to save money, but to deny refugees basic medical care without pay isn't just, in my opinion, inordinately cruel, but un-Canadian.

I pay taxes like anyone else, and I'm fine with giving money for these people to help take care of themselves.

They are not denying this to refugees' they are denying it to claimants which the vast majority are not refugees as defined by International Law and United Nations Convention.

[Lt.Spears]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You can really tell the posters who have never had any form of chronic illness. The lack of empathy is borderline psychopathic.

Human nature i suppose.

[MarchHare]

Am I the only one who finds it discouraging that the phrase "denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions" is being used unironically in a thread about Canadian healthcare? That's one type of cold-hearted crap that we should leave to the for-profit health insurance providers in the US.

[Street Pharmacist]

Here is an example for you. As it is a confidentially issue I will be somewhat vague. A patient of mine from an African nation came here 3 years ago. She had a kidney transplant 1 year prior to arriving in Canada. Without the anti rejection drugs she dies in about a year or less (guessing). Without regular doctors visits her progress would not be tracked and she would not likely survive. Her meds alone are about $2000 a month. No mykalberta, thus is not a wonky eye or tooth.

[tenyardrambo]

refugee or born canadian...everyone should get the same health care, no exceptions

[Lt.Spears]

Originally Posted by tenyardrambo

refugee or born canadian...everyone should get the same health care, no exceptions

So the person who comes here who is going to cost the medical system 100,000 a month for 2 years should be allowed to stay? even though they never paid taxes, or have lived here before?

No thank you.

[GP_Matt]

Just to play devils advocate.
If you are sick and uninsured in the States does everyone think it would be acceptable for that person to drive across the border into Canada and claim refugee status. Once claimed the hearing is often three years in the future, I think they are trying to speed it up for claimants from developed countries. For the next three years should they be given free medical, dental, vision care and prescription drugs only to go through the system, have their claim rejected and be sent back to the states healthy?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Am I the only one who finds it discouraging that the phrase "denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions" is being used unironically in a thread about Canadian healthcare? That's one type of cold-hearted crap that we should leave to the for-profit health insurance providers in the US.

You are not the only one.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

A little bit scary to read 'pre-existing condition' from a Canadian as a reason to deny someone healthcare.

I found that comment very, very unsettling.

Seems the propaganda battle south of the border has claimed some non-combatants up here.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

So the person who comes here who is going to cost the medical system 100,000 a month for 2 years should be allowed to stay? even though they never paid taxes, or have lived here before?

No thank you.

Yep, not our problem. None is too many, right?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01...y-from-canada/

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

So the person who comes here who is going to cost the medical system 100,000 a month for 2 years should be allowed to stay? even though they never paid taxes, or have lived here before?

No thank you.

What about the family of 12 who comes here and costs the medical system $500,000 (each) a week for 15 years?

If we are going to make up absurd examples, and then disagree with them, we might as well go all out.

[rubecube]

Maybe it's just me, but I believe that when you have the capacity to help people, it's your duty to do so. I think it's pretty easy to stand back say "God damn immigrants, stealing all our health cares," when you've never had to deal with a chronic illness. Maybe the politicians and supporters of crap like this should be the ones to tell a family bringing in a child with an illness that would be perfectly treatable here to take the little ####### back to the armpit of a country they came from and deal with it, because spending $0.50/year on health care for truly needy people really burns their asses.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

Just to play devils advocate.
If you are sick and uninsured in the States does everyone think it would be acceptable for that person to drive across the border into Canada and claim refugee status. Once claimed the hearing is often three years in the future, I think they are trying to speed it up for claimants from developed countries. For the next three years should they be given free medical, dental, vision care and prescription drugs only to go through the system, have their claim rejected and be sent back to the states healthy?

I think this raises a valid point, just not about the health care aspect of it.

If there are places we would never, or rarely accept a refugee claimant from, we should group all of those places together and have all of their claims fast tracked so they get quickly rejected (or accepted in rare case).

Then countries who have a large acceptance rate, like was stated earlier - 90% for Somalia could be kept in the regular queue and be accepted at the normal rate.

Then you don't have so many people waiting for claims, and you are giving this health care to people who will, quite likely, be staying in Canada and using our health care anyway.

Kind of solves both problems people are having - unless they just don't want refugees and immigrants here, but that's another story.

[Hilch]

And I wonder why I have to wait 10.5 months to get an MRI. Looks like I should have just come on a boat and I would have already had it done.

[zuluking]

I wish everyone would actually read the document before going on about the horror and travesty. The example provided by StreetPharmacist is covered by the term "essential nature". The definition is:

2.2.2. For the purpose of the IFH Program, services, as listed in the OIC, are of an essential nature if they are provided to an IFHP beneficiary:

1. who is presenting for assessment and follow-up of a specific illness, symptom, complaint or injury;
2. for prenatal, labour and delivery, and postpartum care (including routine prenatal care and maternal care for up to 28 days after the delivery); or
3. for the prevention, diagnosis, or treatment of a disease posing a risk to public health or of a condition of public safety concern.

and this:

2.2.4. For the purpose of the IFH Program, services and products are not of an urgent or essential nature where they are:

1. provided solely for the purpose of screening or prevention of a disease or injury except for screening or prevention of diseases posing a risk to public health or of conditions of public safety concern;
2. for elective purposes or primarily provided to improve quality of life with respect to a condition that causes minimal dysfunction and that is unlikely to deteriorate to a medical emergency within 12 months or the current period of eligibility, if shorter;
3. for cosmetic purposes or convenience of the beneficiary;
4. for fertility and sterilization purposes;
5. for the purpose of rehabilitation, including the cost of rehabilitation hospitals and facilities;
6. primarily related to research or experimentation;
7. not paid for by provincial or territorial health benefit programs;
8. required by or paid by third parties such as insurance companies, business establishments (e.g. automobile insurance), or government agencies, but excluding immigration medical examinations; and
9. for long term care and home care.

Now back to our regularly scheduled overreactions.