I personally would rather see Canadians on our money instead of the Queen. I am all for us having a Canadian identity instead of being a purely English or Commonweath identity. But with that being said, I do think our heritage/history shouldn't be totally forgotten and the Royals probably shouldn't be cut out all together. Especially when I see how many people go absolutely nuts when one of them comes to visit Canada. The reception they get still really amazes me. They really do still have a ton of support in this country.
Exactly. If we're going to reopen the constitution, it had better be for a better reason than removing a historical figure that has no power anyway. The gain or loss to Canada from ditching the monarchy? Pretty much nothing either way.
I'll save this for another day when the royals do something to threaten Canadian sovereignty (which won't happen), or when there is an actual benefit to ditch them (can't think of a reason that would make the process worthwhile). Until then, I'll just continue to not think about them because, with or without them, my life isn't really going to change.
If they ever did that, it wouldn't be a debate about removing them, it would happen very quickly because a huge majority of Canadians/Canadian provinces would be in favour of them not interfering.
I personally would rather see Canadians on our money instead of the Queen. I am all for us having a Canadian identity instead of being a purely English or Commonweath identity. But with that being said, I do think our heritage/history shouldn't be totally forgotten and the Royals probably shouldn't be cut out all together. Especially when I see how many people go absolutely nuts when one of them comes to visit Canada. The reception they get still really amazes me. They really do still have a ton of support in this country.
It's celebrity worship.
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Don't really care about the Royals, don't think it is worth the time to try and distance ourselves from them, Kate should visit often though, and it wouldn't cost much more to bring Pippa.
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I support the Monarchy as our head of state. We are historically a Commonwealth country, we represent a large number of multi-generational Brits born into the colonies, and it is one of the defining features IMO that keeps us from being identified as the 51st state.
I'm going to have to disagree with this particular point. I don't see the point of maintaining tradition only for the sake of tradition. I think that just because we've always done something is not a good enough reason to continue doing it.
I don't see the need to continue representing multi-generational Brits either. We have a large number of multi-generational immigrants from a wealth of different countries.
Lastly, I think our politics are the defining feature that keep us from being identified as the 51st state. We're traditionally much more left-leaning on political issues and we tend to have less religion mixed in with our politics.
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For me, it's the link to our European ancestry and a big reason of why I identify with us as more of a European country than an American one.
I don't see how removing a symbolic head of state changes our identity.
Those old guys on the front of bills are what we call Prime Ministers. They are the Canadian equivalent to the US President. You know, that famous black guy from the states? Not Kanye West. Barrack Obama.
If we didn't already have them, would you want them?
Would you be sitting there thinking; "Ya know, this is a great country, but what it really needs is a figure head of royalty. Someone who had everything handed to them on a silver platter. Someone whose wealth, power and prestige was accumulated through the suffering of others and then passed on through inheritence. This is the figurehead that symbolizes Canada!"...
I'd take a pass on that.
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If we didn't already have them, would you want them?
Would you be sitting there thinking; "Ya know, this is a great country, but what it really needs is a figure head of royalty. Someone who had everything handed to them on a silver platter. Someone whose wealth, power and prestige was accumulated through the suffering of others and then passed on through inheritence. This is the figurehead that symbolizes Canada!"...
I'd take a pass on that.
Your little thought experiment misses the mark in a very big way.
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Those old guys on the front of bills are what we call Prime Ministers. They are the Canadian equivalent to the US President. You know, that famous black guy from the states? Not Kanye West. Barrack Obama.
From what I've read, as soon as she steps foot on Canadian soil, she is officially known as the Queen of Canada.
There's only a couple places appropriate for Charles and his new wife in this country, and they picked St. John, Toronto and Regina. Certainly not going to have the same cache as last summer's visit.
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I'm going to have to disagree with this particular point. I don't see the point of maintaining tradition only for the sake of tradition. I think that just because we've always done something is not a good enough reason to continue doing it.
I don't see the need to continue representing multi-generational Brits either. We have a large number of multi-generational immigrants from a wealth of different countries.
Lastly, I think our politics are the defining feature that keep us from being identified as the 51st state. We're traditionally much more left-leaning on political issues and we tend to have less religion mixed in with our politics.
I don't see how removing a symbolic head of state changes our identity.
I have a rather strong sentiment to our storied military history and our service to the Commonwealth, probably moreso than others. I see Britain and our colonial history as an integral part in the formation of Canada, much as I see Chinese, Indian, European, African and Arab contributions also creating what we have today.
To tie it to one recent event/example, I am in huge support of going back to the Royal Canadian Air Force rather than simply Air Command. I think it highlights our history, prestige, and historical allegiance to our British allies which should not be forgotten.
Forgetting our history is exactly what Canadians going into the 21st century are doing because of our ever-distant relationship with Britain and the British monarchy. This is why I would choose to keep it alive.
Random thought: do they still have the Union Jack hanging at the dome? I haven't looked for it in a while, even though I was there on Friday for a concert.
I have a rather strong sentiment to our storied military history and our service to the Commonwealth, probably moreso than others. I see Britain and our colonial history as an integral part in the formation of Canada, much as I see Chinese, Indian, European, African and Arab contributions also creating what we have today.
To tie it to one recent event/example, I am in huge support of going back to the Royal Canadian Air Force rather than simply Air Command. I think it highlights our history, prestige, and historical allegiance to our British allies which should not be forgotten.
As a former Canadian Forces officer, I found it utterly ridiculous that I had to swear the following oath shortly after my recruitment:
I, (name), do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors.
I didn't sign up to swear fealty to a monarch. We're living in the freaking 21st century, not feudal times. Why wasn't my oath about defending the interests of the nation of Canada and its citizens? Or defending Canadian values such as freedom from oppression around the world?
As a new officer, I was eager to impress my superiors and wisely bit my tongue, but this has bothered me ever since.
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